I guess people don't care about privacy 🤷

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The new suite is excellent though. Hope they add a google photos replacement too


What do you think about skiff?


Meh, I use both. My proton Mail account name has the world fuck in it so I don't use it for a lot of things.


They don’t in general fr. More of a niche thing which includes bitcoiners and various sects of normie land. My own brother is fully googled, he believes everything is so fucked might as well just go with it and any attempt at privacy online is pointless. “Not a criminal so what do i care”

Just how it do 🤷♂😔


What are the other options for privacy?
#asknostr


only through pain 🤕


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“Creatures of habit”


Sometimes I think if Proton is not a honeypot to catch emails from people who want privacy.

At least it is not EU:

https://www.404media.co/revealed-the-country-that-secretly-wiretapped-the-world-for-the-fbi/


I do


Have used proton for a year and a half as part of my de-googleing 😀 I think there will be many cool nostr apps that will make the job easier 🤙 Like nostr:npub1cmmswlckn82se7f2jeftl6ll4szlc6zzh8hrjyyfm9vm3t2afr7svqlr6f's calendar app for example 👀


Haven't tried. Proton too good


Sharing this impression observing close friends...

traveling group of 30pax went to an hotel.

you can either deposit your passport or deposit  20usd.

29 deposit their passport ..... hmmm.....


That’s my concern as well.  How can anything centralized and free be truly private..


What if I have both?

My long term plan is to host my own email server.


But Gmail is free so it must be good


Why is protonmail vaunted as this big privacy solution? Last i checked;
-you couldnt signup for an account via vpn, they want to log your real IP.
-cant use your own client for TLS/SMTP

Agree gmail sucks and is the worst.


I sign up and login with a vpn no issue?

You can use your own client with proton bridge


E2e encryption is a good start


A story in pics:

Today its the email address, and only the right email address (just like IP addresses before that) - perhaps they change from month to month but end result is same
https://image.nostr.build/f864f87c021807da176e83b6d774b9011acf5b134e7b76eec7cb1360cc38098a.jpg

https://image.nostr.build/0b351fce9692b83165e8260a2881df11e7dedeaa5c876b7c2b1bf81a37820b15.jpg


Hmmmm 🤔🤔


I want to use Calendar so much, but the integration with Google maps is so convenient I keep falling back to google


They don’t. :(


Privacy on protonmail is also a bit questioned by Rob Braxman and also in the hacking community


Where tutanota


Always will be something, email isn't perfect for privacy, but it's drastically better than gmail


Most people think more about a good user interface than just privacy. I use privacy apps but most of the time I can't advice it for the average Joe because no user friendly usage.


This is well known for years, that's why you use a VPN or Tor with the service.


Hm but you can throw the maps link in there and then click it from calendar


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They don’t! And nobody ever reads terms and services texts


Google terms and conditions states that you acknowledge and agree that google analyses and keeps a copy of every email you send and receive using gmail. When I read that I told it for a lot of friends and family but, for my surprise, no one gave a shit about it! 🤷🏻♂


I’d agree if it was open source - afaik it’s not.


you only get 500 MB storage.


Skiff Mail


Proton Mail is kinda cool !, and I use it just for my personal staff

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Last I checked they required email verification only for creating new "@protonmail dot com" accounts, not for "proton dot me"


I question that it is enough for some people. If you have big things to hide from the five eyes, I think you can't trust just vpn or tor with protonmail. I don't think a lot of people on the darkweb use protonmail for example, maybe I wrong.


It's email. Tf you need more than 500Mb for?


Protonmail is cool


Is it not e2e encryption ?
Protonmail ?
What about Nostr and Plebstr ?


Is it not open source ?


Privacy is already gone.
Proton is giving only 1GB free, it is harder to integrate and sync over various devices and software/app than Gmail...


I'm running my own server but I'm not sure if I can do a better job than Protonmail. It is liberating to run though.


Self host, Tutanota, skiff, mailfence, startmail, zoho, kolab..etc


Well, we dont have nuke bunkers to host in but I dont think thats really necessary. The more people self host the more work needed to get the data.


nostr:npub1sn0wdenkukak0d9dfczzeacvhkrgz92ak56egt7vdgzn8pv2wfqqhrjdv9 is protonmail a CIA honeypot?


I dunno... I think people care about the privacy loss they can readily see. No one wants a big-ass window in their bathroom without privacy glass, right? But that's a loss of privacy that is hyper-obvious.

Google lulled the vast majority of us, myself included, into buying into their stuff, so that giving it up now is giving up massive convenience compared to what many look at as a much less significant privacy loss than someone being able to spy on them in the shower.


You can buy more storage. I assume you prefer to be a product.


No, I just understand that email is meant for correspondence, not for storage. 🤷