No log in like telegram.

No slowdowns with simplex groups since it doesn't need to be quite that secure. 

Best of both.  

 Yeah, I feel like someone seriously concerned with security really should put up a firewall or use SimpleX, or there should be some way to wall off a relay effectively and programmatically. 

 Yup. That would be rad.  

 You arguably won't get there with a nostr relay. You are trusting TLS at best. SimpleX does give you that advantage tmk. You could require VPN I suppose...  

 SimpleX Messaging Protocol goes over TLS. 

 Hmm, I though onion routing was required, through tor nodes or via dedicated nodes? 

 https://github.com/simplex-chat/simplexmq/blob/stable/protocol/overview-tjr.md 

 Seems to be optional, but maybe I'm misreading. 

 ^ Stella 

 Maybe we should just use AUTH on group relays to create exclusivity, remove broadcasting, and abandon the privacy promise of encryption?

Someone malicious could just screen-shot stuff or copy-paste the raw json, anyhow. 

 A private relay would be required here to properly enable AUTH and trust that the relay is authing against a configured ACL for your group. In that case yeah don't see the reason for encryption since TLS between client/relay and group messages are private to that relay behind auth.  

 And then you can add/remove people at relay-level, which works quickly and smoothly, and doesn't require a fake-admin-npub as a crutch. 

 We just need relay admin UIs?? 

 We already have a good one, that is OS.
https://github.com/orgs/relaytools/repositories 

 That's what he's running here: https://relay.tools/ 

 I guess a group is less about chatting (we have that) and more about a collection of related events/notes being associated with a subset of people we've decided we want to talk about them with.

We usually start off with a little clique and copy-paste links in from Nostr, but direct Nostr embedding would be nice. And some way to mark events as belonging to that group (like calendars), maybe with a label.

Maybe we just want better SimpleX-Nostr integration. But they tried that and said it couldn't work, right?