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ChipTuner | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 You arguably won't get there with a nostr relay. You are trusting TLS at best. SimpleX does give you that advantage tmk. You could require VPN I suppose...
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Laeserin | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 SimpleX Messaging Protocol goes over TLS.
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ChipTuner | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 Hmm, I though onion routing was required, through tor nodes or via dedicated nodes?
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Laeserin | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 https://github.com/simplex-chat/simplexmq/blob/stable/protocol/overview-tjr.md
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Laeserin | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 Seems to be optional, but maybe I'm misreading.
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Rand | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 ^ Stella
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Laeserin | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Maybe we should just use AUTH on group relays to create exclusivity, remove broadcasting, and abandon the privacy promise of encryption?

Someone malicious could just screen-shot stuff or copy-paste the raw json, anyhow.
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ChipTuner | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 A private relay would be required here to properly enable AUTH and trust that the relay is authing against a configured ACL for your group. In that case yeah don't see the reason for encryption since TLS between client/relay and group messages are private to that relay behind auth.
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Laeserin | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 And then you can add/remove people at relay-level, which works quickly and smoothly, and doesn't require a fake-admin-npub as a crutch.
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ChipTuner | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 We just need relay admin UIs??
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Laeserin | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 We already have a good one, that is OS.
https://github.com/orgs/relaytools/repositories
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Laeserin | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 That's what he's running here: https://relay.tools/