Anti-Islam is Anti- humanity

And Palestinians are Semite

So anti-Semitism is Anti- Palestinian 

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 All true.  However, the colloquial definition of antisemitism is anti-jew.  

From: ChandBabude<-Dere... at 12/08 10:15

> Anti-Islam is Anti- humanity
> 
> And Palestinians are Semite
> 
> So anti-Semitism is Anti- Palestinian 
> 
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CC: unclebobmartin 

 "Opposition to the CIA is racist." 

 "Opposition to the U.S. Military Industrial Complex is racist."

"Opposition to judicial overreach of the U.S. supreme court is racist."

"Opposition to the Federal Reserve is...racist."

...do you see how nonsensical that is?

...do you see that by conflating the opposition to the actions of a State with racial prejudice they (the State) has created a smokescreen to justify *any State action*? 

 That's a bit of a strawman.

From: (AronGahagan) at 12/08 10:27

> "Opposition to the U.S. Military Industrial Complex is racist."
> 
> "Opposition to judicial overreach of the U.S. supreme court is racist."
> 
> "Opposition to the Federal Reserve is...racist."
> 
> ...do you see how nonsensical that is?
> 
> ...do you see that by conflating the opposition to the actions of a State with racial prejudice they (the State) has created a smokescreen to justify *any State action*?

CC: freeborn | ἐλεύθερος
CC: unclebobmartin 

 To be opposed to a State institution and/or its policies has zero to do with an ethnic identity. Semitism is not Zionism--and that is logical equivalent of what tou posted. 

 How is being opposed to an ideology the same as being opposed to a group of people? Not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews. Assuming you are anti-nazi, that must mean you are against ALL white people by your logic 

 Anti-zionism, at this stage of history, is equivalent to a genocide of the Jews because if the anti-zionists were to win, then millions of Jews would be governed by an ideology that was dedicated to their destruction.

But that's beside the point.  The real issue is that people use the term anti-zionism to hide their anti-semitism.  IMHO.

From: (nemesis) at 12/08 10:59

> How is being opposed to an ideology the same as being opposed to a group of people? Not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews. Assuming you are anti-nazi, that must mean you are against ALL white people by your logic

CC: unclebobmartin 

 It's a lie, Zionism is a political ideology, an ideology can't be Semitic, the majority of Jews and Zionists are Ashkenaz from northern Europe, so they're not Semitic. You can pass misleading laws that will never change the truth. Zionism is fascism! 

 I was with except for your first clause and your last sentence.  It's not a lie because the colloquial definition of antisemitism is anti-jew.  Zionism is demonstrably not fascist.  The state of Israel is a parliamentary democracy that includes jews, christians, muslims, arabs, and many other diverse peoples.  That government displays none of the attributes of a fascist state.  I therefore conclude that your use of the term "fascism" is in the more modern sense meaning: "Anything I don't like."



From: (eky) at 12/08 13:01

> It's a lie, Zionism is a political ideology, an ideology can't be Semitic, the majority of Jews and Zionists are Ashkenaz from northern Europe, so they're not Semitic. You can pass misleading laws that will never change the truth. Zionism is fascism!

CC: unclebobmartin 

 Please consider these, if not to be persuaded, then merely to understand our position:

- Murray Rothbard, [War Guilt in the Middle East](https://mises.org/library/war-guilt-middle-east)
- Jeremy R. Hammond, [The Rejection of Palestinian Self-Determination](https://amzn.to/489Krfx)
- Jeremy R. Hammond, [Obstacle to Peace: The US Role in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict](https://amzn.to/47O2pVm)
- Andrew J. Bacevich, [America's War for the Greater Middle East: A Military History](https://amzn.to/3RjJbQ6)
- Alison Weir, [Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel](https://amzn.to/47VWLk8)

I appreciate your videos, BTW. 

 While I see the syntax of what you say, what is it's semantics?

I can only agree or disagree with this claim if it comes with the assumed definition of Zionism and anti semitic, specially as there are many definitions of anti semitic.

I remember seeing an article written in Times of Israel by 
Moshe Mordechai van Zuiden in which he says that thinking of Jews as equals to the rest of humanity is anti semitic, because it would mean denying their role as the selected people of God. I can't agree with him.

It seems they have taken the article down, but here's the link: 
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/to-dislike-certain-ethnicities-is-racist-to-see-jews-as-equal-is-antisemitic/

Another definition of anti semitism is this the IHRA definition, made by Israeli lobby. 

As I remember that Germans coined definitions of being anti-german to say that protecting Jews was anti German, I tend not to trust big poweful governments defining what is to be against their people.

See more the American Civil Liberties Union on this topic: 
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-statement-senate-introduction-anti-semitism-awareness-act

Moving on from the syntax vs semantics topic, I have read some books on Constitutional Law and General Theory of  State, and found very clarifying to read that a State is defined by three distinct elements:

a) a People
b) a Territory
c) a government with power to remain sovereign by acting inwards and outwards of the territory.

I agree that being anti-Israel, if Israel is defined to be it's people as in the Bible, is anti semitic, but being against the politicians of Israeli State (government) is not the same as being against it's people.

I agree that Israel (as people and State) should exist, but the territory has to be proportionate to the amount of Jewish people living on the region legally just before the creation of the State (government) of Israel.

The definition of "legally" get difficult in practice if I consider the British colonial power at the time being legal or not.

Moreover, which is the way you consider proper to criticize actions of politicians in Israel? Only in a democracy it's possible to criticize it's politicians and governments. If not, that's not a democracy 

@Mike Dilger