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 You can take away my DNS. You can even take my IP. But you can't take away my npub.

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 doesn't it eventually boil down to packets being tramsitted over IP anyway though? I'm so confused 😂 
 there is a new design coming together for using nostr as a repository for name<->IP pairs based on small cheap anchors on bitcoin, i think it's called "nomen" 
 What does this change? #noobquestion
A. That you'd only now the name and not the IP?
B. That you'd have an unruggable name+IP pair? 
 Your cashu wallet sends requests not to and url or ip but as a nostr DM to the mint npub. The Mint send the response the same way through Nostr. Your ip doesn't matter, your notes are in the relays.  
 unruggable/sovereign addressability -- makes all the difference
 
 say for example I am running a cashu mint from whatever location, I have a contract with my ISP providing me internet access so my cashu mint can be online/discoverable. this ISP has given me an IP address I can be reached at. if I think decide I will not advertise my IP, and only be discoverable through the mints npub, wouldn't all traffic still be going to and from the ISP anyways? meaning they can just have a look at the packets, see what's going on(roughly) and block access? 
 this is why they will put off actually enabling full IPv6 for as long as they can to keep us trapped in LANs behind NAT 
 even with ipv6, I am still stuck under the ISP right? they control what I can do surely  
 TLS all looks the same... if an IP appears to not be online from you, but you can check from a third party it is online, then you can prove the ISP is filtering your traffic, and then they have a game of whack-a-mole when you move to using a VPN

unfortunately, yes, ISPs have a lot of power, and mostly they play fair to keep customers but ultimately if the government orders them to do shit, even in secret, you have to defend yourself

it's shitty, but that's the world we live in currently... a total farce of pretense of civility, with vicious, satanic evil behind the curtain 
 also, that's the thing

going from 32 bits to 128 is such a big jump that it goes from whack a mole game to infinity whack a mole

that's why we don't have ipv6 everywhere yet

it's been 30 years since the standard was mostly finalised, and we are still waiting for everyone to stop running 10 year old firmware that didn't implement it

why?

because fuck you, obviously 
 For one thing, ISPs aren't the only way to network. Mesh networks, for example, don't rely on ISPs. 

Also, encrypted traffic solves a lot of that. If you connect, peer-to-peer, to a "discovery gateway" of sorts (maybe this is how mints are going to be structured, I'm not sure) and that gateway helps you connect p2p to other users, then all your ISP is seeing is encrypted packets between IP addresses. Even IP blacklists at the ISP level wouldn't be a silver bullet for them as gateways could move as necessary. 
But if things are THAT bad, then yea mesh networks are the answer. 
Example: nycmesh.net - they happen to also connect outside via ISP, but local-to-the-mesh traffic does not.  
 thanks! 🫂 
 The encrypted requests go to many Nostr relays, you can run your mint in your own home server and have a service just looking at requests in nostr for the mint, then you send the response also through Nostr. For your isp your mint is no different that you just posting or sending DMs on Nostr.  
 thanks! 🫂 
 Yep. And my npub can receive ecash in private, thank you very much! 
 🤝🤝🤝

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 Self-sovereign digital identity is huge.

Arguably bigger than self-sovereign digital money.

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 It’s the combination of the identity and payment - that’s the big innovation. A self-generated npub can be your identity AND your payment address. IP and DNS can be leveraged to make things easier, but a npub is not dependent on DNS/IP. 
 BTW, thanks for btcmap.org - it was indispensable for me in #Madeira. 
 🤜🤛 
 Ooff... Self sovereign digital identity is huge in the cyberspace.

Self sovereign digital money is huge both in cyberspace and meatspace.

I wouldn't claim one is more important than the other, taking the violence monopoly out of the hands of a few seems *at least* as important or even more than not allowing them to define your "digital identity".

While they are powerfully linked in the cyberspace, the money doesn't need identity in meatspace.

Nostr is doing extremely good for the cyberspace, but not everyone wants to be here, and that's totally fair.

Meatspace should keep being the most important space and improvements that make life here better are more important than the ones that make it better in the cyberspace imho. 
 nostr npub only 🫡 
 Look again.


Jk 
 is there a cashu guide that a laymen could understand. I see it here on nostr, but I get lost in the tecnical aspects of it and I dont see how it is usable or what it is even supposed to be used for 
 Powerful.

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 Take my love, take my land,
Take me where I cannot stand.
I don't care, I'm still free,
You can't take the sky from me.

Take me out to the black,
Tell them I ain't comin back.
Burn the land and boil the sea,
You can't take the sky from me.

There's no place, I can be,
Since I've found Serenity.

And you can't take the sky from me. 
 long live firefly 
 so it will be something like a nostr mixnet ? (like tor with .onion ?) 
 Not only that my friend.
You can even make full HTTP request over Nostr. 🙃 NIP-46 ftw 

https://github.com/nostr-connect/nostr-reqres 
 Literally you can make REST API web servers to be reachable just knowing the npub (and relays) 
 Like the good old Blockchain security best. For sats maybe 
 We are getting closer and closer to needing a Nostr browser like Brave but Npub natively integrated 
 Is there anyone doing meshstr? Mesh net or even going big like blockstream launching their own satellites-node.