It's all tradeoffs. SE comes with a lot of unacknowledged, ongoing trust in the company implementing and distributing devices that incorporate one (or more) SEs. I feel as though there is frequently a lot of nuance lost in these discussions that end up favoring the inherent marketing of SEs being "secure". I admittedly have a unique, less common perspective given my personal experiences. Both of you have made significant & valued contributions to SeedSigner over time, in different ways, so I havr nothing but love and appreciation for you both.