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you’re average android phone is likely 100x worse than apple privacy wise. Apple makes money on hardware, not user data. They wouldn’t put so much effort into secure enclaves, e2e encryption, and private ai clouds otherwise, as all of this makes data collection harder. Unless you’re using grapheneOS, the anti-apple pro-android privacy crowd is a larp and misinformed. Android is built by google, a company who could care less about your privacy.
I'm an idiot, please ignore anything I say.
Just wait until Im running AI and Graphene OS on this bad-boy, see who has the last laugh then. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Nokia_3310_blue.jpg/1200px-Nokia_3310_blue.jpg
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Agreed ... On iOS you get privacy from companies except apple. On standard bloated android, you get privacy from no one.
You get privacy from no one either way On iOS Apple is responsible for leaks and on Pixel Google is responsible for leaks On Samsung nobody is responsible for leaks because Samsung don't take responsibility for anything, they sell toys and bargain products
Apple has an ad platform as well. Every Facebook ad user is using an Apple-made identifier to correlate interests instead of a Meta-made one. That apple made identifier so that they could control the ad space and sell their own ad platform: https://searchads.apple.com/ Don't fool yourself into thinking that Apple is much different than Google. They are all selling your data. Google is just upfront that they are selling it.
100%. Graphene is it’s own league but the average Samsung phone etc has absolute shite privacy. I’d trust that shit 100 times less than an Apple phone. Apple provides no freedom but seems to have better privacy overall.
This helps out a a lot on Samsung https://github.com/Universal-Debloater-Alliance/universal-android-debloater-next-generation/
I'm agnostic about Apple and Google, but the thing that strikes me is this. You ask Google, do you share my data. They say hell yeah. Do you profile me. Hell yeah we do. Apple has never admitted anything until they were caught out. Did you give China access to stay in their market. That's commercially sensitive. Do you use device information to profile us. Silence! They're just bad in different ways. Google is blatant. Apple is devious.
Apple are the ones that straight up announced they won't allow privacy on their devices anymore and can report people for what's on their devices
And then there is this (which frankly ought to end the discussion, it PROVES they can't be trusted with privacy) https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving-governments-push-notification-data/
coming from one who obviously has a far greater handle on these technologies, this is both surprising and appreciated. as one of the big corps, i will always have concerns . they have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar a few to many times. too good too be true products, they certainly delivered. now they are pursuing ai? its a small step to data collection .... .... there are always questions. GM
This is some fanboy copium
I am not an apple fanboy. I use my linux box and hand-built desktop environment 90% of the day. I have an apple phone because android phones are terrible privacy wise, unless you use graphene but then I can’t use my bitcoin apple/google pay debit card.
Saying that a device made by an ad company is less concerned with privacy than a company that's been beating the privacy drum for more than a decade? There are many things to criticize Apple for, but this isn't one of them.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving-governments-push-notification-data/ Yes it is.
Apple chose to use google as their default search engine, because they don't care about your privacy anymore than Google does.
Just because Apple could do better doesn't make them the same as Google. Take web browsers: Safari could do better, but they were the first to limit tracking cookies, and they took some hits on compatibility to do so. Chrome is now also limiting tracking cookies, but only for other people because Chrome quietly includes an almost unique set of experiment flags, but only when talking to Google owned sites. This is why I can't trust Google.
But isn't your #argument essentially; believe what Apple tell us? I can't trust someone I never met to tell me the truth. I don't understand how you can. Apple can say what they like. It's what they do I'll judge them on. And #apple and #google do the same thing. They betray our trust. I would judge #Microsoft the same way, if they were in this argument. The real contrast here is #Linux. If they spy on us we can see it in the code. That's the real deal with #opensource #software. We don't need to trust it. We can see what they're doing. That's the model I prefer. I use an #android phone and an #ipad but I don't expect them to protect my #privacy. That would be naive.
That's fair, but it still doesn't change that we can rationally expect Apple to do a better job than Google. While they are both large, US companies, they have different revenue models motivating them. Apple also leans heavily into privacy as part of their brand, and created a Lockdown Mode for those who take their privacy even more seriously. You are of course free to use neither, and should probably abstain from cellular radios altogether, but that's not what this thread is about.