Oddbean new post about login | logout @b05df304 Wow, you really think you won an argument quoting the North Korea’s communist dictatorship state media propaganda. I am not here arguing for the sake of winning a debate, but to see other perspectives on this matter. When I said the master race ideology has European origins that’s factually true, you can read more about it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race The Oxford English Dictionary records that William J. Grayson used the phrase “master race” in his poem The Hireling and the Slave (1855): For these great ends hath Heaven’s supreme command Brought the black savage from his native land, Trains for each purpose his barbarian mind, By slavery tamed, enlightened, and refined; Instructs him, from a master-race, to draw Wise modes of polity and forms of law, Imbues his soul with faith, his heart with love, Shapes all his life by dictates from above It’s not about moving the goal post, it seems to me you want to diminish European White Supremacy impact on the world over the last two centuries.
@0134ce10 Wow, you really think you won an argument quoting the North Korea’s communist dictatorship state media propaganda. you are the ones who set the rules of engagement. I even pointed out before I played the game by your rules that the rules were absurd… but I did it anyway… I followed the rules, proved you wrong by your rules, and pointed out youd move the goal post (in part because the rules were stupid)… and well here we are. I am not here arguing for the sake of winning a debate, but to see other perspectives on this matter. When I said the master race ideology has European origins that’s factually true, you can read more about it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_r then you are doing an absolutely horrific job by using such intellectual dishonest tactics. It’s not about moving the goal post, it seems to me you want to diminish European White Supremacy impact on the world over the last two centuries. There you go making shit up again that has no relationship to anything I said… Not once did I in any way say white supremacy or racism wasnt real, expansive, or a major issue. In fact I said nothing to diminish it. What I did point out is that horrific racism has been the norm across the globe and is not the exclusive domain of the whites… this doesnt diminish the evil the whites have done int he least, it only points out it is in no way unique to white people. As I pointed out when I saw your intellectual dishonest argument coming.. you quoting white supremacy till the cows come home do nothing to advance this discussion because white supremacy was never in question.. the fact that you need to pretend like it was and argue against fantasies of arguments I never made is quite telling to say the least.
@0134ce10 Wow, you really think you won an argument quoting the North Korea’s communist dictatorship state media propaganda. You are the one who set the rules of engagement. I even pointed out before I played the game by your rules that the rules were absurd… but I did it anyway… I followed the rules, proved you wrong by your rules, and pointed out youd move the goal post (in part because the rules were stupid)… and well here we are. I am not here arguing for the sake of winning a debate, but to see other perspectives on this matter. When I said the master race ideology has European origins that’s factually true, you can read more about it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_r then you are doing an absolutely horrific job by using such intellectual dishonest tactics. It’s not about moving the goal post, it seems to me you want to diminish European White Supremacy impact on the world over the last two centuries. There you go making shit up again that has no relationship to anything I said… Not once did I in any way say white supremacy or racism wasnt real, expansive, or a major issue. In fact I said nothing to diminish it. What I did point out is that horrific racism has been the norm across the globe and is not the exclusive domain of the whites… this doesnt diminish the evil the whites have done int he least, it only points out it is in no way unique to white people. As I pointed out when I saw your intellectual dishonest argument coming.. you quoting white supremacy till the cows come home do nothing to advance this discussion because white supremacy was never in question.. the fact that you need to pretend like it was and argue against fantasies of arguments I never made is quite telling to say the least.
@b05df304 you are the ones who set the rules of engagement. I even pointed out before I played the game by your rules that the rules were absurd… but I did it anyway… I followed the rules, proved you wrong by your rules, and pointed out youd move the goal post (in part because the rules were stupid)… and well here we are. I didn’t set anything up, this is a classic straw-man argument you’re making up. I made the claim that the master race ideology has European origins, I was planning to bring quotes from prominent European leaders, philosophers promoting that ideology. I didn’t yet. I just linked to Wikipedia which gives a good introduction to this subject. Not once did I in any way say white supremacy or racism wasnt real, expansive, or a major issue. In fact I said nothing to diminish it. What I did point out is that horrific racism has been the norm across the globe and is not the exclusive domain of the whites… this doesnt diminish the evil the whites have done int he least, it only points out it is in no way unique to white people. I read this more like CYA, then a valid argument against white supremacy. Racism and slavery are aspects of white supremacy, some nations have practice those to some marginal extent compared to white, sure. But I sill believe that master race ideology has European roots in a sense that European Philosophers, scientists, leaders, have claimed that some European men are better genetically evolved compared to others and that basically they should rule the whole world. And please don’t get me started on Eugenics. As I pointed out when I saw your intellectual dishonest argument coming.. you quoting white supremacy till the cows come home do nothing to advance this discussion because white supremacy was never in question.. the fact that you need to pretend like it was and argue against fantasies of arguments I never made is quite telling to say the least. I don’t make or engage with dishonest arguments. White supremacy stems from the master race ideology which has European origins, that pretty much sums up the discussion.
@0134ce10 I didn’t set anything up, this is a classic straw-man argument you’re making up. You defining the rules of engagement: https://qoto.org/@voidabyss/111167763581276244 Me pointing out their stupid: https://qoto.org/@voidabyss/111167763581276244 I made the claim that the master race ideology has European origin No, you claimed it was purely of european origin (in other words exclusively white) I still stand with that statement, because I can bring you many quotes from so many prominent white European Elite(Philosophers, politicians, rules, writer, etc) that make claim. I challenge you bring quotes from prominent Elite from North Africa, middle eat, south America, that make that claim. I truly believe that the master race Ideology is purely European origin. As is Very clear here the point of debate was not if white europeans are racist, I concede thatpoint many times and never once disagreed… As I pointed out and the point you yourself claimed was that it was purely of european origin. Something you absolutely failed to prove and were quite clearly disoproven on. I was planning to bring quotes from prominent European leaders, philosophers promoting that ideology. I didn’t yet. I just linked to Wikipedia which gives a good introduction to this subject. Good thing you didnt waste your time doing that because it would have done nothing to advance your argument since 1) it was never in question that white europeans are racist and 2) no matter how many racist quotes you have of white people it does nothing to prove it is exclusively white, so you would have wasted your time, especially seeing as this was disproven. I read this more like CYA, then a valid argument against white supremacy. At no point have I made any attempt at an argument against white supremecy.. In fact you have said this like a dozen times and every time I have explicitly told you I didnt disagree with this… Why do you keep insisting on arguing against ghosts of arguments you fabricate and I never said? I don’t make or engage with dishonest arguments. White supremacy stems from the master race ideology which has European origins, that pretty much sums up the discussion. Keep telling yourself that. Literally everything here is not just a dishonest argument, its over the top dishonest.. you keep fabricating an argument I didnt say, and then argue against it, and then cry foul when your called out on it and just keep doing it. This is probably one of the more intellectually dishonest conversations I’ve ever had.. the only ones that might come close is your anti-vaxx posts which thankfully you’ve calmed down on.
@b05df304 You are over complicating a very simple questions and making up debate fallacies and claiming dishonest arguments to shutdown discussion the same way you did with the mRNA vaccines which has been proven that they are neither safe nor effective(so no point to further that debate). I pretty sure we can agree that Abrahamic religions originated from the middle east, Communism originated from Europe or Buddhism originated from Asia. So, the question here is simple: What’s the origin of the master race ideology? First, we have to agree what is the master race ideology? Simple, do you agree with the Wikipedia definition and its historical background? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race Another question simple question is: Do you believe that white European are genetically superior to other humans? (Please answer this question) If a white European has that believe, they fell for the master race ideology which is the backbone of white supremacy. As is Very clear here the point of debate was not if white europeans are racist, I concede thatpoint many times and never once disagreed… As I pointed out and the point you yourself claimed was that it was purely of european origin. Something you absolutely failed to prove and were quite clearly disoproven on. The question here is not the what’s the origin of racism or slavery. My understanding of your claims that many nations around the world have some aspects of racism and slavery in their culture therefore the Master race Ideology is not purely European. https://qoto.org/@freemo/111167309620923619 If that’s your claim, I respectfully disagree. Limiting the master race ideology to racism and slavery diminishes many horrible aspects of it that are exclusively white European. One point I want to make very clear here: I never claimed nor I believe that white europeans are racist. That’s borderline racist against whites to make that claim. My claim is that white European Elite (Philosophers, scientists, leaders) started the Master race Ideology. I believe those elite represent the 1% minority, and that majority of white European are victim of that Ideology as well as many nations around the world that was exploited by those minority white European Elite. https://qoto.org/@voidabyss/111167278359841915 https://qoto.org/@voidabyss/111167462849461879 I just want to add that the majority of white European are the victim of the white European Elite ideology, through out history i.e (WWI, WWII) and up to this day. My questions are simple, fair and in good faith, I can clear up any misinterpretation you want. Claiming that I engage in dishonest conversation that’s your own projection, I don’t why you do it? In my opinion it’s your way to shutdown the conversation.