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Any builders/maintainers care to share your thoughts on working for friends or family vs your standard customers? 

I feel like producing for friends and family is ideal in a way, but it makes the tough conversations that are sometimes needed more difficult.   

I finished a small landing+stairs for a lady I have known most of my life.   It went pretty smoothly, but the whole time I was fearing some hiccup I’d have to communicate and/or upcharge… which I’ve had to do in the past. https://i.nostr.build/OMck12x4ckB2aEPT.jpg https://i.nostr.build/HHktuxXE784B65qV.jpg  
 After planning and initial discussion. Make a walk through of expenses (materials and cost of your time) sometimes it helps to have them buy the material based on your material list 

Planning is always paramount 
 Yeah.. I mean I did a full estimate for her, but you know how things can change when you start digging holes, removing old wood, etc.   You’re right though, with a full plan usually changes can be understood.   Usually haha 
 Nice job though by the way 🤜 
 Yeah it's a challenge usually - but if you can cover the costs then labour can be under-charged. Depends on who you're dealing with really. 

At the end of the day true business is about relationships - 

Good work on those stairs too.  
 Thank you sir.   They step.. 
 you need to put a fat man on those stairs 
 Haha they’re overbuilt I promise… another thing you do for friends.   “Industry standard” def doesn’t cut it 
 There's toxic f&f and non toxic. i learned the hard way to cut the toxic ones out asap; they tend to want everything for free++ and don't understand boundaries and a bit commie. 
 Haha I’ve met one or two.. 
 #proofofwork

Just be direct and honest with them, as you have been.