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hodlbod | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Yeah, it is weird because there seems like there could be a huge appetite for it. But maybe not, people always want to take shortcuts.
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JeremyCady | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +2 
 Bastiat makes that point.

That humans default to the easiest route. 

If they can use government to take from others than they are likely to do so.

It tends to be the minority that is willing to be true stalwarts and stand on principle.
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Tristan Brice Velloza Kildaire | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +2 
 This is one reason why, I don't mind trying to change people's mind but ultimately I want to opt out of society X and into society Y (with likeminded people). Sort of like an Orania stratergy.
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JeremyCady | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 The problem is setting up a society Y that you can go to.

When the US was formed, that was exactly the purpose. 

Even as the US expanded, most of those willing to move west were those who wanted to remove themselves from the society present in the previous location.

Today, there's a government pretty much setup everywhere. 

It's really not an easy case to pick up and move somewhere freer. We really need to talk enough folks into implementing that change.
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Tristan Brice Velloza Kildaire | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 I agree to an extent. Orania, for example, has become self-sifficient and is in the middle of nowhere.

So I think you can still make it happen, but it is hard work. I think you need to change minds by showing people and at the same time it means you actually live up to your own standards.

It creates an undeniable truth effectively.