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Tristan Brice Velloza Kildaire | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +2 
 This is one reason why, I don't mind trying to change people's mind but ultimately I want to opt out of society X and into society Y (with likeminded people). Sort of like an Orania stratergy.
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JeremyCady | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 The problem is setting up a society Y that you can go to.

When the US was formed, that was exactly the purpose. 

Even as the US expanded, most of those willing to move west were those who wanted to remove themselves from the society present in the previous location.

Today, there's a government pretty much setup everywhere. 

It's really not an easy case to pick up and move somewhere freer. We really need to talk enough folks into implementing that change.
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Tristan Brice Velloza Kildaire | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 I agree to an extent. Orania, for example, has become self-sifficient and is in the middle of nowhere.

So I think you can still make it happen, but it is hard work. I think you need to change minds by showing people and at the same time it means you actually live up to your own standards.

It creates an undeniable truth effectively.