Oddbean new post about login | logout And then this happened. 😬 nostr:note1lkmn2wlqa7pvla9xrqqs73hvhqyx6n3thujs98z5zuh27zqh89rq6tuvrp
🤣 how embarrassing for the best funded app on nostr.
Literally marketed as "Le App Bitcoin", and then they use legit shitcoin libraries. 😅 All of the #Monero guys, who have had to put up with so much crap on here, including from #Primal fanboys, must be looking at this like https://media.tenor.com/12vmKWVVJrwAAAAC/death-stare-black-snake-moan.gif
@Ava did you see this go down?
I uninstalled Primal over a month ago. It's been lame for too long. After keeping it installed and trying to like it as a backup client for ten months, it was time to say goodbye. What went down? The inclusion of crypto wallets?
They've been using crypto libraries, while marketing themselves as a Bitcoin app, yes, and it sort of bubbled up, due to an attack on the library. Primal web repo hasn't moved in 6 months, not even a bug-fix, but they rolled back this particular commit, last night. 😅 Their whole "Bitcoin Nostr" schtick always rubbed me the wrong way, anyway, as Nostr isn't supposed to just be for Bitcoiners, and they turned Nostr into a feeder for Strike KYC, but whatever. https://media.tenor.com/i2V9q28KQ0QAAAAC/dottie-underwood-agent-carter.gif
Oh wow! I missed that. That sounds very hypocritical. And I agree—I've said it time and time again—if Nostr is only for Bitcoiners, it's dead in the water. But deceptive marketing is not the way. Thanks for the heads up!
I'm a Monero guy right after Bitcoin Guy
https://image.nostr.build/7e0b02e97c0c26a6475eced36b7e964ebe590812398d82bc7b9181d3cc64d1b8.jpg
Other than keeping Primal users from experiencing ALL of nostr inc the "other stuff"? https://media2.giphy.com/media/IkBMOwZ44Ug7GxNuQx/200.gif
I feel about Primal, the same way I felt about Mutinity Wallet. Countdown läuft...
How did you feel about Mutiny Wallet?
CEO had a terrible attitude and I told him that he wasn't going to last long and he didn't.
It does seem that way. If you had to make an educated guess, what percentage of total nostr users do you believe use primal as their primary client?
I suspect that it's a majority of those onboarding, lately, unfortunately, but we manage to salvage some of them and get them to other clients. This is one of their VC boards, FYI. https://ten31.vc/team
I suspect a lot of the problems Nostr has been having are a direct result of people onboarding through Primal, but it won't let up until Primal finally goes away or completely reforms.
Kind of ironic, isn't it? Bitcoin and freedom advocates scaring away bitcoiners from freedom tech😅.
https://image.nostr.build/3d12aa572321505e4a78099dc1bc0b3935f6fbd231bd73e0b3069767257bb35f.jpg
Primal: the best funded shitcoin on nostr.
I won't say anything because I'm sat next to a window 😁
Making Nostr all about Bitcoin seems to have sucked in a bunch of grifters and finance-suits-in-hoodies, and it's turned newcomer's microblogging feeds into a cheesy, discount-version of Bitcoin Twitter. Nostr has zaps, but zaps aren't the reason Nostr exists. Nostr predates the zap. Nostr has its own agenda. The real Nostr devs care about Nostr, for its own sake, and not just as a place to spend Bitcoin. This note is signed with my private key and published to the relay on my laptop. GFY. nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzqaw3y9q68yvef3qxy5qlz4wzud8yr2xre7d7l8jd055cy569350zqytkummnw3ez66tyvgaz7tmrv93ksefdwfjkccteqydhwumn8ghj7argv4nx7un9wd6zumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6tcqypa39d2hcm8rpehgre683zrv3r42lkat0vndaz85f90kzuukr5cx7g5eqfw
100% and GFY Cool, yeah bitcoin, got it. But like lets to other normal social and business things here too, it's why were here. I don't want any other platform. I also have no idea what Bitcoin Twitter was, but the reason it's call Bitcoin-Twitter is kind of gross imo.
Yes. nostr:nevent1qqsfgl0n4eqc7vj8drxhzp9ytypksfxndst0xpyyc0favtauqjj5cfcprdmhxue69uhhg6r9vehhyetnwshxummnw3erztnrdakj7q3ql5sga6xg72phsz5422ykujprejwud075ggrr3z2hwyrfgr7eylqsxpqqqqqqz03j2cg
What do you recommend for MacOS?
do you use web clients? i like to use: https://nostter.app https://nostrudel.ninja https://habla.news https://www.yakihonne.com
Stop being an idiot and run Linux.
It’s on the list.
We can all learn from this. No judging. https://media.tenor.com/Sfo7_u-zu_QAAAAC/its-life-so-mistakes-are-going-to-happen-amanda-holden.gif
😅 Just had my new employer ask me if I wanted a Windows or a Linux laptop, and it was like, Wait... is this a trick question?
So long as you get to choose your own install.. Right?
No, only Ubuntu. 😭 I don't want to talk about. I'm grieving.
It's great that they offer Linux!
I've been using Linux, at home, since like 2005, and tested on a Linux/Windows dual-boot since the 1998 or something, but this will be my first Official Work LinuxOnly Laptop. I'm happy about that.
Nostur
Why?
The increasing follow-concentration is a direct result of their trending list and their preset follow-list for newbies. This was immediately obvious, from the get-go, but they have just left it like that. Also, whilst the majority of the other devs and relay-managers immediately jumped on the ReplyGuy issue, Primal was lackadaisical. They are often AWOL, and they don't seem to use the relay, web client, or image server, themselves, on a daily basis, so they let the systems atrophy, and fill up with literal garbage, while performance crawls to a halt. The other devs are eventually annoyed by their own stuff being broken, since they use it regularly themselves, but Primal devs are like vegan butchers. They can legit watch their repos rot for half a year and not give a damn. I've seen a lot, but that takes the cake. Primal got way too much funding and way too much adoring press, from the get-go. They're front-and-center at the conferences, of course, talking a big game. They be like https://media.tenor.com/GAPSxsTdaiwAAAAC/valentino-rossi-rossi.gif
Leave my boy Rossi out of this. https://image.nostr.build/15f242b2c20e6d50ef55dc25e58a4eeea23612c375f29d929cb91a3debafb22d.gif
‘like vegan butchers’ 🤣https://media.tenor.com/T8NUkKuaGAsAAAAC/ohhh-whoah.gif
I guess that makes me one of the salvaged users since I only used primal for a few days before I turned to amethyst. Thank you! I just took a look at this. Wow! Primal is well-funded. I can't deny that. But... it's becoming exactly what it promised not to. I actually just un-installed it. Lol we don't really need a Bitcoin advertisement platform. Companies like Blackrock and Fidelity are doing all that for us.
@Silberengel there’s valid criticism of any app. Primal is no exception. What is the point of kicking Primal for using a FOSS dependency, and fixing an exploit quickly?
Why did the devs from other apps have to figure this out and report it to us? Where are their devs? Where are they ever? Where did they dig up this library? Why were they using it? Why have they left that repo to rot for 6 months? Also, they've been like this, from the beginning. I'm incredibly underwhelmed by the entire project. I've always encouraged people to switch to a different kind 01 client, as soon as possible, and I bet that those that switch early, are more likely to stick around.
@Silberengel one of nostr’s strengths is folk outside the app devs figuring out bugs, and sharing this one with the app devs one way or another. I don’t think I’ll change your view on Primal. Fixing a bug reported from outside the team quickly is a good thing.
Yes, but I expect them to then be upfront about what happened and _immediately_ investigate it themselves, and openly self-report with their biggest npub. They should be aggressively transparent. Yeah, don't bother trying to change my mind on Primal. Waste of your time.
