Oddbean new post about login | logout Took 36 minutes for HN moderators to kick this thread off of the site. New record?
@822a3c32 I wonder what you think about the CoC alternatives proposed on the HN thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37543694 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37543779 Maybe it's enough to keep the discussion in a software community tightly on-topic, focused on our technical common ground rather than things that divide us, without explicitly invoking current hot-button culture-war topics as CoCs commonly do. So yeah, a software project community resembling a high-school boys' locker room is toxic.
@97d8ce43 I addressed this in my post: "I am not someone who believes all projects need a code of conduct, if there exists a reasonable standard of conduct in its absence – and that means having a community that does not bully and harass others for expressing differing points of view, let alone for simply having a marginalized identity."
@822a3c32 Actually, now that I've looked at the passage you quoted in context, I see the problem: When I first read the post, I incorrectly thought that that paragraph was another quote from the CoC discussion, not something you were saying in response, because my screen reader didn't announce the start and end of blockquotes. My problem, not yours.
@97d8ce43 ah, no worries.
@822a3c32 why did they remove it from HN? I've read about HN moderation being extremely ill-managed earlier as well, is it so always? There are a bunch of great discussions as well going on everytime on the site. I've never participated in HN community before so don't have any idea.
@8cb548ba HN moderators *heavily* censor any issues adjacent to sex, gender, LGBTQ identity, race, etc, and are biased towards censoring criticism of discrimination rather than censoring discrimination itself. It's very toxic.
@822a3c32 Why hasn't the community ever opposed this then? There definitely should be some sort of demond for transparency about how moderation is done!
@8cb548ba the community often does oppose them, but this opposition is *also* censored. And in the environment that this censorship creates, those who would oppose such policies are driven away and the community becomes more tolerant of or even explicitly endorses bigotry over time.