Oddbean new post about login | logout I think from the perspective of a client it is quite difficult tbf to them lol. User retention is bad, they have to try something, and this is a method social media uses. But you also can't really recommend anything too odd/controversial/ niche. So you're back to replicating 'legacy social media' and their blandest / generic content posters as safe recommendations. There's just not that many people here really, not much you can do about that in this process lol. So I totally get it.
They could simply create a trending list that measures human interaction, so that people could jump into lively discussions. That would solve the problem of clicking on something "trending" and having it be a thread where nobody responds to your reply. Sometimes the original note poster isn't even "here". So it's just like they throw a bone and everyone shows up to squabble over it, but it's not a real discussion and the replies are dull and flat.
I tried to make a group/community to help with his obvious lack called #discuss - made to highlight posts of interest but aren't by the people who are promoted or the 'inner circle jerk' or whatever you want to call it lol. But communities / groups are somewhat defunct and fiddly. I wonder how you ould automate it, cos obviously this could easily be gamed, and would also highlight posts of no interest but with lots of replies. (Could be eg a word count? I don't know + some element of WoT? ... I don't know)
You can measure human emotion and engagement with simple patterns. You just have to trace the pattern of the replies, to see how flat the structure is, how many people are involved in the different levels of the structure, and how grammatically complex and diverse the replies are. GM - GM - GM - GM - GM - GM - GM - GM - GM - GM - GM - GM - GM Groundbreaking topic - Complex note from npub 1 -- Complex response to npub 1 from npub 2 - Complex response from npub 1 from npub 3 - Complex note from npub 4 - Complex note from npub 1 -- Complex response to npub 1 from npub 2 - Complex response from npub 1 from npub 3 - Complex note from npub 4 - Complex note from npub 1 -- Complex response to npub 1 from npub 2 - Complex response from npub 1 from npub 3 - Complex note from npub 4
Yes, I think you are right. By which I mean, I have no clue how automation / detection works in reality, but it sounds like you know what you're talking about. Sounds like you could be capable of making some sort of interesting discussion / post highlighter bot? 🤔 I would like to see primal replace their sidebar with something like this.
I don't think they understand the math enough to do that. They've tried to mimic the effect with time-frames (1-hour, 2-hour, etc.), but that often is just a reflection of active time zones, rather than interesting discussion. Europeans tend to trend until Americans wake up and drown us out.
The reason why the first note is obviously going to be a boring read is clear: nobody expects it to contain interesting infomation in the replies, so nobody opens the replies, they just respond with their own GM from their feed, or zap, and move on. You want to highlight the notes where people have opened it up and started chatting.
You can see what I mean from your own posts. Why is this post trending https://primal.net/e/note1tzqpuza2pgmkq2ette3neah0wq96jx0ch4289lmdn5lpreasrf2s3xzakx but much more interesting things you've posted, where the conversation was long and complex, haven't. Perhaps has something to do with the hour of the day you posted the note or the note simply being very short.
OR JUST GUNS AND TITS YOU KNOW?!
Oh lol, I didn't know I was trending on primal. It's not even got many likes or replies. I think you're right that, it's a timezone thing, nostr is v quiet at these hours. And primal will let any old rubbish go on trending lol
Your piss post is trending on the primal 4-hour time span, now. Hilarious. I guess they're proof that you can throw a lot of money at a project, but that won't guarantee it's any good. All it takes is someone clever reading this thread and implementing such a solution in their own client, to steal their user base.
Really sexy would be a conversation heatmap, where you could see the intensity and scope of a discussion-cluster. Maybe even including replies to quoted notes, in addition to the original note and its replies. A visual way of tracking "where the humans at".
@Michael J @liminal How about them apples?
To prevent gaming the algorithm, you'd want filters to cut out notes below a certain length that are more likely to be bots (remember "Happy New Year"?). It would be really cool to do a social graph visualization that shows which notes are seeing the most interaction.
Yes, I mention that in the other comment. Nothing short or too repetitive or similar. "GM" "Good morning" "Hi" "Yo" is all the same thing. You would also want to filter out anything too reply-guy-ish. Sometimes discussions break out in GM threads, but sometimes it's just a string of GMs, so you'd filter out the second type.
Here is another example. This note shot up into the trends, but it has a flat structure and the original poster has never replied or written anything else. No human interaction, despite so many replies. We all just look silly. nostr:nevent1qqstd2mffmavec70lf3q66ycm550c9tyh364quzev9c3pakdfr7kcegpzamhxue69uhkummnw3ezu6r4vfkkz6m9wghxjmczyrw587khexkvw6wl3ku80860crt0fktldg9z0rk05gvrukjc9u5y7qcyqqqqqqgwdv7xx
Send me to a note freaks are fuckin with right now- button
Oh I had to go to the 1 hour Trending to see I was on it. You're on it too now lol.
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What do you think of something like what's described here, some sort of way to find lively discussion clusters? nostr:note1nl2kr8088vzcmlmwmcmn0je0mz7s8vpmqrk7aaphcgvzxnjmat0qek9y7y
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Not sure if a bot which links to lively discussions counts as an algorithm but I would definitely welcome that sort of discovery injection on my timeline #discuss #asknostr fao: bot makers lol nostr:note1ug2e2hs74wc7qr248kt66k432a9qld8hrelrz3yg4y3kz3q9xreqm6mqss
One thing reddit did well: hot, new, top, controversial. nostr:nevent1qqsxyx60h80qpzghum8t2a5a890gs9t6680smggq48cm4p8qsg7xjxspp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqzyzw2p0t52p6z663qxxwqu02vv7wfupr2nhrsarh4ts5stcjq2g6qkqcyqqqqqqgjzf9tw
Agree, and the controversial space is especially interesting
how did they determine what was controversial? ratio of likes/dislikes? topic? mixture? not sure I care so much about 'controversial' per say. But 'lively', I think 'lively' encompasses that too tho
I suppose (likes vs dislikes)*activity. I haven't used reddit for a long time, but controversial topics usually contain interesting insights.
I would like something like.. #👀
I tried to make Discuss community and suggesting the #discuss hashtag as a sort of human curated version, but some bot / automation would be great, and/or the conversation heat map aforementioned from quoted user nostr: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
Nice, just followed the hashtag 🤙
One thing reddit did well: hot, new, top, controversial. nostr:nevent1qqsxyx60h80qpzghum8t2a5a890gs9t6680smggq48cm4p8qsg7xjxspp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqzyzw2p0t52p6z663qxxwqu02vv7wfupr2nhrsarh4ts5stcjq2g6qkqcyqqqqqqgjzf9tw
Agree, and the controversial space is especially interesting
how did they determine what was controversial? ratio of likes/dislikes? topic? mixture? not sure I care so much about 'controversial' per say. But 'lively', I think 'lively' encompasses that too tho
I suppose (likes vs dislikes)*activity. I haven't used reddit for a long time, but controversial topics usually contain interesting insights.
I would like something like.. #👀
I tried to make Discuss community and suggesting the #discuss hashtag as a sort of human curated version, but some bot / automation would be great, and/or the conversation heat map aforementioned from quoted user nostr:nevent1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qg5waehxw309aex2mrp09skymr99ehhyee0qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uq3qamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wd4hk6tcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgnwaehxw309ahkvenrdpskjm3wwp6kytcpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0wd68ytnsw43z7qgewaehxw309amk2mrrdakk2tnwdaehgu3wwa5kuef0qywhwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytndw46xjmnewaskcmr9wshxxmmd9uq37amnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3dwfjkccte9ehx76m0w3shymewvdhk6tcpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtcpzfmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ucpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq3vamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwdehhxarj9e3xzmnyqyfhwumn8ghj7un9d3shjctzd3jjummjvuq3qamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wwa5kuegqyznn4t62nu0sv0l2m6cd0defzm2h6qvhfch93uwrucu2zxzxf0htj7hz8zu
Nice, just followed the hashtag 🤙
how did they determine what was controversial? ratio of likes/dislikes? topic? mixture? not sure I care so much about 'controversial' per say. But 'lively', I think 'lively' encompasses that too tho
I suppose (likes vs dislikes)*activity. I haven't used reddit for a long time, but controversial topics usually contain interesting insights.
I would like something like.. #👀
I tried to make Discuss community and suggesting the #discuss hashtag as a sort of human curated version, but some bot / automation would be great, and/or the conversation heat map aforementioned from quoted user nostr: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
Nice, just followed the hashtag 🤙