Oddbean

Hmmm if I understand this correctly although part of the broader problem I think there are different concerns Yes using the internets leaks your IP all over the place Yes downloading images leaks your IP A specific concern with connecting to untrusted relays is associating your nostr pubkey with your location and movements This doesn't need to be fatal, ppl can use a trusted proxy relay either personal or public like filter.nostr.wine which does all the inbox/outbox stuff Sure VPN / tor is better for privacy but it's good to have options

I can associate your npub to your IP and get your locations and movements. I can do that to Damus users right now. I won't do it out of respect, but there is such a large set of possible ways to do it that I can't imagine this being something we could realistically prevent across the board.

Fair enough, I watched the video, thanks for the explanation, admittedly most of it went over my head but I think I got the gist. I hope my VPN works as expected, it seems a popular choice with the more security focussed people I follow. I go from the baseline that there’s very little security on any network. Good to know the tools that can at least minimise risks. Cheers!

Is this what we are basically saying here is that iPhoners are so hypnotized they don't use VPNs or can't use VPNs on their phone? This is starting to finally make more sense to me why they're freaking out about how the Internet works.. Of course they won't install another app or configure a VPN. They're zero configers. 🐑 nostr:nevent1qqs9g4eakh4w5rwwcmnesm9v3lvzg4u5p683hjs88j9wzxpme9tll9cppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qgswuyd9ml6qcxd92h6pleptfrcqucvvjy39vg4wx7mv9wm8kakyujgrqsqqqqqphqme0t

People need to configure their browsers to talk through a SOCKS5 proxy in Belarus, wireguard over to North Korea, tunnel through gopher protocol into the great wall firewall of China and out through the pacific cable to New Zealand where I will, free of charge, rewrite the source IP address of each packet and then pass them onwards to anywhere you want them to go. The responses will return by the reverse path. Just install this from the iPhone app store: LINK NOT FOUND

I think you are mostly right. and, Appl$ #privacywashing works with their user base. my husband is on an iPhone but he uses a VPN because he listens to me. even then though, Appl$ collects and sells data to their partners just the same as Googl$ does, who just happen to be one of their partners... and Meta...

Ok well then maybe I'm wrong. If _everything_ goes through that path. But the web stack has a lot of back garden pathways that people often don't think about. This may have come from an iPhone or maybe Apple proxied it, We could find out by doing some tests, but that's not really my point. [IP REDACTED] [18/Jun/2024:20:10:51 +1200] "GET /RelayPrivacy.mp4 HTTP/2.0" 206 2097152 "-" "AppleCoreMedia/1.0.0.20G75 (iPhone; U; CPU OS 16_6 like Mac OS X; en_us)"

yes and they have access to all your data, they outed themselves with phone pictures with their very poorly received scan everyone's photos for child porn scheme that people have forgotten. sure they may shield your IP but... don't fall for it and FFS if you are an Apple user and don't like what I am saying and want to argue because you want to believe them... don't be. and read their EULA. it's not the same EULA it was 10 years ago etc. all Apple does is says words that appease their customer base while keeping your data all for themselves to sell and blocking third parties. you are their product is just locked in to them. take a look online for Apple privacy washing, there are many reputable privacy researchers around and good articles. the mainstream media doesn't promote these articles for reasons (paid corporate ads). Subscribe to tech and security blogs and watch on techmeme. Apple has access to your iCloud info, whenever they want and they do sell some of your data while blocking 3rd party apps from doing it. Apple and Meta were both at Google's latest trial lobbying the judge not to allow the public to find out this stuff. And often I see articles on Ars Technica on the topic appear and then a week later or a month later they are gone. https://proton.me/blog/iphone-privacy https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/01/08/ces-apple-facebook-amazon-are-preaching-privacy-dont-believe-hype/ https://proton.me/blog/privacy-washing-2023

Being a long time 'IT' guy.. it is very difficult for me not to profile users of tech. And what I see with apple user base is it generally made them unwilling to set settings, install apps, customize their experiences. They seem to just want to be fed notifications (and are bombarded by them all day), and have no interest in configuration or any of the things that I think made computers cool in the first place. This is the result of apples amazing walled garden tactics, design, and strong arming of the apps, notifications, blue-bubble war. Maybe you can't see this, but to me it stands out like a sore thumb. So them being unwilling to install or configure a VPN, yes I can see that 💯 that's why 100% of the real ips on mikes video are likely raw damus IPs.

yea, when I worked before I retired I worked in IT if you widen the scope further and include TV, politics, even taste (food, clothes), you soon see that "easy mode" works and Appl$ knows it imo this is why when I walk out the door I see a wall of zombie clones: same style, same language, same hair, same food, same political ideology it's like a layer of unreality stamped on top of the real world if you tell people something is good they will blindly repeat it this is off topic but i''ve done this as an experiment many many times with Chinese tea. an old Chinese lady taught me over about 15 years, including this: most people if I brew low quality tea and say it's good or the best will agree (imo to not appear wrong). i can also tell ahead of time which people can't tell the difference and you can too if you start paying attention to people and their lies... sad but true. you can confirm all this stuff by challenging people. many people are accustomed to everyone believing them so they lie with abandon. they aren't even lying to anyone but themselves and i suspect most believe in the group societal lies don't shoot the messenger ... people shoot all the time and i find it hilarious 🤣 (me being outspoken again and TMI but...)

yeah it's part of their thing think of it this way it's like the cool clone kids that have whatever stupid shoes the rest of the clones have... only it's in the adult world their thing with the message colours feeds into it as well to put a Dharmic spin on it, it's an amplification of swlf-other

Nothing to do with iPhones. I just picked a client that isn't doing the gossip model and apparently can't see fiatjaf's quote posts, presumably because of the privacy risk. A client you might expect would be avoiding untrusted relays for privacy reasons. And even in that case, those users already don't have privacy. That ship has sailed.