Oddbean new post about login | logout My running theory that the Nostr sign-in flow should feel like an IKEA effect. The user should feel like they're making conscious choices to have freedom and control online. Otherwise what's the point.
It's usually a balance to strive for. Make it too difficult and people don't sign up. Make it too easy and they get in and leave. You have to have some skin in the game so to speak to stick around. But all of that can also be for nothing if there are no strong network effects. You should definitely be able to choose what kind of content you see, I think that would make the apps more sticky and personalized. I don't know if relay selection is necessary, would be nice to test with and without. So far most of the feedback we have is that it's too confusing. People get hung up on keys, and not sure what they are doing once they are in the app. Some don't recommend hashtags and if you skip following people in onboarding you have a blank feed.
I had a hard time onboarding because there are so many apps and tools in the ecosystem, plus the blockchain stuff is annoying to setup if you're not into that. I finally settled on creating an account on my phone and then just exported my nsec keys to website that I can probably trust
What’s the blockchain stuff? How did you know about other apps?
Like zaps and logging in via an extension. I googled nostr and tried to figure it out
Ah. We have better logins now but not fully implemented in all clients. We need way more in-client info but I can’t seem to get anyone to add it 😔 Would be great if nostr.com was user friendly
I started there but none of the clients were working, maybe it was just the influx of tiktok users
By working meaning no content or what
yeah it was just wonky, like loading really slow or not at all, also partially me not knowing what it was actually supposed to be doing in the first place I thought it might be my wallet or whatever because I went the browser extension path first. mobile in general seems to work better not sure if correlation or causation
What should I do?
For labeling? I’ll take a look
I meant the better login
I think nsec.app is a better login implementation. You can see it in action on nostrnests.com
tried to login to nostrnests.com with nsec.app account and the spinner just sat there spinning, thats the kinda stuff I'm talking about. Like even an error would have been better.
Could you please try keeping the nsec.app tab open while signing in, would it work that way? Also which OS and browser?
I had the profile page open on nsec.app, I went to the main page and tried to login and it worked, not sure if correlation or causation
It's worth testing to see if generating key is an important step or not. I think Damus and Primal both have you save your key. Snort on the other hand doesn't mention the key (by design). Just need to measure the funnel entrance to exit (got to the feed) for each app to see which is more effective. My guess is they are roughly the same. As far as retention goes, I don't think knowing about keys impacts it, but content does significantly. If you sign up to something and see things you are not interested in, what's the point of sticking around? This is the super important discovery step we need to solve. Right now you just see some bitcoiners and in some cases trending people being recommended, but people often dont follow anyone, they just skip. Some clients offer hashtag following, but again, some people just skip all of that. I think this is why Twitter forced people to pick some topics so they could show a decent starting feed.
Tiktok solves this with their algo. They don't need to recommend topics because their engine learns very quickly what you like and what you skip over just by measuring video completion duration and probably some other things learned on other user cohorts similar to your browsing behavior.
Tiktok solves this with their algo. They don't need to recommend topics because their engine learns very quickly what you like and what you skip over just by measuring video completion duration and probably some other things learned on other user cohorts similar to your browsing behavior.
What does nostr have that activitypub doesn't? What an you do to highlight that and make it super obvious why this is better/ more fun/ more rewarding?
Admins on ActivityPub are little dictators. They will ban you for saying one thing they disagree with, then your whole account is gone forever. Nostr lets you move freely. That's critical. It's a game changer.
Nostr fixes dictator server admins. nostr:nevent1qqsv3tgaclxl5gvphlg9gg7tx8xt3uln44wqn65u3tavy4n94lncx2cpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsygrect9wz9829z5cre64nd870p22gu6jr2xj9fnth2ul5fywhqs07cpsgqqqqqqsmkyv95
Reddit also has this problem and it's very frustrating. Also by the way, there's already some AI client-based algorithms for filtering content right?
Irish and Snort have feed tabs for this as well as Primal.
They can also just turn the server off, or they can be compelled to turn the server over to spooky people. Nostr fixes that, too.
Admins on ActivityPub are little dictators. They will ban you for saying one thing they disagree with, then your whole account is gone forever. Nostr lets you move freely. That's critical. It's a game changer.
Nostr fixes dictator server admins. nostr:nevent1qqsv3tgaclxl5gvphlg9gg7tx8xt3uln44wqn65u3tavy4n94lncx2cpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsygrect9wz9829z5cre64nd870p22gu6jr2xj9fnth2ul5fywhqs07cpsgqqqqqqsmkyv95
Reddit also has this problem and it's very frustrating. Also by the way, there's already some AI client-based algorithms for filtering content right?
Irish and Snort have feed tabs for this as well as Primal.
They can also just turn the server off, or they can be compelled to turn the server over to spooky people. Nostr fixes that, too.
Well, I don't know what you can do about little dictators, but if zaps are powerful, perhaps adveritise them in a way that makes users create a nostr account?
@jack we need vibrating panties post haste You’re welcome for me being the one to say it … again 🤣
for the zaps? I think that could work 🤣 zap to vibrate
Absolutely I suggested this months ago. Oh that’s right I had Jack muted cause … Exactly. Zaps ⚡️ for pleasure … then to various rings … etc .
well, I dont' think you need to manufacture anything. arent there existing products that you could just configure to work with zaps? need a bit of hacking.
Exactly My Luv 💚 exactly it’s also beautiful
Idk how many times I’m gonna post this before some dev links the two https://buttplug.io/
Cmon devs! Do something! #sexynostr 🤣🤣🤣 ⚡️⚡️⚡️
99% certain this could be done with lnbits 😂😅
Like can we free the cam girls from being slaves to dumb shitty websites?
OK honest to God that’s why I seriously do want to talk to others in higher positions cause YES WE DAMMMMMMM CAN!!!
All the tech is freely available now but nobody wants to be "that" dev I think
Oh my God (Throws her hands in the air) When I say that LOVE will ultimately prove to be the greatest form of currency in the world APPARENTLY IMA gonna have to be the one to teach others self-love, and how important that is as well 🤣🤣🤦🏻♀️ Truly, others better already be doing this or my dream walking is suspect as hell. 🤣
https://image.nostr.build/59c29993d4d4f0e3c553fa5e81ed53f048730b3726c5d51167dc5cc95efea55d.jpg
TMI Kinzee...
Fine!!! See #Craig Wright in prison 🤣🤣🤣 https://image.nostr.build/d80b6392c9d460b317c4506502445cf0feac554b6e83999b8ba666ac44bcad2d.jpg
for the zaps? I think that could work 🤣 zap to vibrate
Absolutely I suggested this months ago. Oh that’s right I had Jack muted cause … Exactly. Zaps ⚡️ for pleasure … then to various rings … etc .
well, I dont' think you need to manufacture anything. arent there existing products that you could just configure to work with zaps? need a bit of hacking.
Exactly My Luv 💚 exactly it’s also beautiful
Idk how many times I’m gonna post this before some dev links the two https://buttplug.io/
Cmon devs! Do something! #sexynostr 🤣🤣🤣 ⚡️⚡️⚡️
99% certain this could be done with lnbits 😂😅
Like can we free the cam girls from being slaves to dumb shitty websites?
OK honest to God that’s why I seriously do want to talk to others in higher positions cause YES WE DAMMMMMMM CAN!!!
All the tech is freely available now but nobody wants to be "that" dev I think
Oh my God (Throws her hands in the air) When I say that LOVE will ultimately prove to be the greatest form of currency in the world APPARENTLY IMA gonna have to be the one to teach others self-love, and how important that is as well 🤣🤣🤦🏻♀️ Truly, others better already be doing this or my dream walking is suspect as hell. 🤣
https://image.nostr.build/59c29993d4d4f0e3c553fa5e81ed53f048730b3726c5d51167dc5cc95efea55d.jpg
TMI Kinzee...
Fine!!! See #Craig Wright in prison 🤣🤣🤣 https://image.nostr.build/d80b6392c9d460b317c4506502445cf0feac554b6e83999b8ba666ac44bcad2d.jpg
Absolutely I suggested this months ago. Oh that’s right I had Jack muted cause … Exactly. Zaps ⚡️ for pleasure … then to various rings … etc .
well, I dont' think you need to manufacture anything. arent there existing products that you could just configure to work with zaps? need a bit of hacking.
Exactly My Luv 💚 exactly it’s also beautiful
Idk how many times I’m gonna post this before some dev links the two https://buttplug.io/
Cmon devs! Do something! #sexynostr 🤣🤣🤣 ⚡️⚡️⚡️
99% certain this could be done with lnbits 😂😅
Like can we free the cam girls from being slaves to dumb shitty websites?
OK honest to God that’s why I seriously do want to talk to others in higher positions cause YES WE DAMMMMMMM CAN!!!
All the tech is freely available now but nobody wants to be "that" dev I think
Oh my God (Throws her hands in the air) When I say that LOVE will ultimately prove to be the greatest form of currency in the world APPARENTLY IMA gonna have to be the one to teach others self-love, and how important that is as well 🤣🤣🤦🏻♀️ Truly, others better already be doing this or my dream walking is suspect as hell. 🤣
https://image.nostr.build/59c29993d4d4f0e3c553fa5e81ed53f048730b3726c5d51167dc5cc95efea55d.jpg
TMI Kinzee...
Fine!!! See #Craig Wright in prison 🤣🤣🤣 https://image.nostr.build/d80b6392c9d460b317c4506502445cf0feac554b6e83999b8ba666ac44bcad2d.jpg
Like can we free the cam girls from being slaves to dumb shitty websites?
OK honest to God that’s why I seriously do want to talk to others in higher positions cause YES WE DAMMMMMMM CAN!!!
All the tech is freely available now but nobody wants to be "that" dev I think
Oh my God (Throws her hands in the air) When I say that LOVE will ultimately prove to be the greatest form of currency in the world APPARENTLY IMA gonna have to be the one to teach others self-love, and how important that is as well 🤣🤣🤦🏻♀️ Truly, others better already be doing this or my dream walking is suspect as hell. 🤣
Nostr fixes dictator server admins. nostr:nevent1qqsv3tgaclxl5gvphlg9gg7tx8xt3uln44wqn65u3tavy4n94lncx2cpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsygrect9wz9829z5cre64nd870p22gu6jr2xj9fnth2ul5fywhqs07cpsgqqqqqqsmkyv95
Reddit also has this problem and it's very frustrating. Also by the way, there's already some AI client-based algorithms for filtering content right?
Irish and Snort have feed tabs for this as well as Primal.
They can also just turn the server off, or they can be compelled to turn the server over to spooky people. Nostr fixes that, too.
