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 Lolol I just accidentally re-orange-pilled myself thinking about this: 
I was thinking about how these bills could be passed around without being redeemed, just like cash. And when you want to redeem one, you can do so. ....And then I realized there would be no way to know if one had already been redeemed when you receive it - so you would want to check with the mint each time you receive a bill to make sure it hadn't been redeemed from the mint. 

That seems like shitty UX!
And seems **worse** than paper fiat money. 

And then I realized that this is **exactly how paper money works**. It's _supposed_ to be redeemable for gold (and then taken out of circulatin), but you can't really know if the gold hasn't been redeemed yet - in fact, **you can be sure there is no gold at all!**. 

In Fiat world, we are essentially passing around ecash tokens that we know have already been redeemed! Hahahaha

This has been another episode of "the kind of anti-fiat pill that only works if you're already anti-fiat pilled". See you next time. 

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 With an ecash mint you can mint as many tokens you like. The central bank can't do that. There are rules there. 
 it's just **completely** backwards to say that ecash mints built on cryptography have _fewer_ rules than central banks. users of an ecash mint would be able to prove foul play like that, while "users of a central bank" have no way to prove if the bank is issuing more money "than it should" (the latter statement not even really being well-defined, that's how loosey-goosey it is over there).

I appreciate our disagreements most of the time, but if you start verging into low-effort troll comments I'm not going to have much to say in response. 
 > users of an ecash mint would be able to prove foul play like that

You literally said the only way to find out whether a token is redeemable is to redeem it. 
 And you said you knew how this worked better than I do.