Did you know on Signal, your deleted messages aren’t deleted?

Don’t believe me?  Cut Signal’s network permission on Android.  And go a long time with using it on desktop with disappearing messages on.  Then re-sync Android with network permission, and boy you’ll be shocked to see those messages flash back before your eyes!  They’re still on Amazon’s centralized servers even though they took it off your device.

This is even sadder when you think about how in centralized systems, it’s easier to force messages out.  But with decentralized systems, there’s issues.

SimpleX has unique plans to force messages to disappear on the other person’s device, but how’s he gonna implement it?  These are the types of questions to ask and hear at tomorrow’s event.
(if you live in Asia, it’s tonight)

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 Did you know any 3 lettre agencies (See how I misspelled that?) Agencies can intercept your transmissions at any time they choose?  

 While it's laudable that "You"?/The Recipient think things/communications are secret🙄🤔😂/encrypted, they're not. Unless you have an uncompressed device, they're not. Does every cunt have an uncompressed device🤔?? Do they fuck😂😂😂. PGP, yep, use that's good. Plug your unencrypted message into a compromised device though, pre-encryption though and you're fucked🤷🏻‍♂️.  

 Excuse me, I have to return some videotapes.  

 RAdIO RentAL. THey are well over due. That'Ll be £104 (Eire Pounds((((🤷🏻‍♂️.  

 That sucks! 

 self destructing messages will always be trust based. it's fine for certain threat models but not others 

 OTR XMPP 

 can't your counterparties client still be logging the chat? 

 yes that is exactly what I'm talking about. self destructing messages always require you to trust your friend to not write down or save anything. sometimes that's ok and sometimes it isn't. 

 Hmm, doesn’t sound like signal is truly private..