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 Today's P2P Nostr using phone-running Relays trough Tor in production apps (works with no hacks) will be remembered as a key milestone in Nostr's history. 
 Is there a how-to for dummies on this yet? 
 Sign of greater things to come? No. Tor scales poorly as does nostr.

What we have here is a bunch of kids building dog houses dreaming of building cathedrals.
 
 And what’s the solution? 
 Lower your expectations  
 Time to merge Orbot natively on Amethyst  
 And citrine hopefully. Local relays built into the app just make sense 
 good news - technically orbot +termux- python-nostr-relay + AmyClient should be sufficient in theory 
 Feels like running a bitcoin node on your phone and never using anyone else's node for anything...

But the outbox model breaks this no? 
 The beauty of #nostr is that as a simple user I can have huge impact!
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 I'd imagine doing this with Pear instead of Tor would make a lot more sense 
 Haven't seen any app or found any way to run a pear server on a phone. Only running a pear client exits at the moment. 
 Perhaps a link to some explanatory docs/talk or maybe some key concepts I can use to punch into an LLM to better understand context of what’s going on here? Lots going on in Nostr world, those of us who just entered are struggling to catch up 😅 
 People needs a tutorial for both: Android and iOS. 
 i got the i0s one...N/A 
 The relay is on the phone and you can connect with it the phone is on the relay.
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 He's awfully quiet...
Let him cook...
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 I was right 😂
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 Instead of Tor could you have used IPv6? Last year I was able to ssh into my phone on 4G using its IPv6 address if I'm not mistaken. Or is IPv6 bad for privacy blablabla? 
 mm, cell carriers dont allow that .. you musta been connected to a wifi spoofing cell tower jacking cessna 😅 
 Maybe your cell carrier doesn't support IPv6, but mine did.

In any case the population of people who have IPv6 but aren't aware of it is bigger than that of people who have Tor running. 
 I just asked greenart a feature request, and he pointed out it was already possible. It just required some configuration, the functionality was already there. Serendipitous.

Why not expose the relay on ipv6 though? If the outbox model works a personal relay like this could be a great tool, and connecting any way possible isn't a bad idea. Are there security or privacy concerns? Probably 😂 just make it configurable. 
 Instead of Tor could you have used IPv6? Last year I was able to ssh into my phone on 4G using its IPv6 address if I'm not mistaken. Or is IPv6 bad for privacy blablabla? 
 mm, cell carriers dont allow that .. you musta been connected to a wifi spoofing cell tower jacking cessna 😅 
 Maybe your cell carrier doesn't support IPv6, but mine did.

In any case the population of people who have IPv6 but aren't aware of it is bigger than that of people who have Tor running. 
 I just asked greenart a feature request, and he pointed out it was already possible. It just required some configuration, the functionality was already there. Serendipitous.

Why not expose the relay on ipv6 though? If the outbox model works a personal relay like this could be a great tool, and connecting any way possible isn't a bad idea. Are there security or privacy concerns? Probably 😂 just make it configurable.