Oddbean new post about login | logout The problem is not enjoying that a woman is beautiful. The problems are: 1. The idea that you are entitled to fantasize about a beautiful woman 2. The idea that women exist for the enjoyment of men
1. Though crime 2. Make everyone hate you? 🤔
Wow 1. I said nothing about crime. I’m talking about morality. Yes, thoughts matter. 2. “You exist for my enjoyment” is far closer to hate than to love.
1. Controlling thoughts of other people matters to get more power, that's why marketing and propaganda works 2. Why would anyone want to deal with people they don't enjoy interacting with? How me enjoying something harming anyone else?
i think you may be overlooking the point she's making. nostr:note1leed773m0nyqt53nyfdy5uu5s2rw6ma2n29jk4fa34wgg7yuwwzse567jg
She is making a point that I don't own my private thoughts and that I should ask her for permission what I'm allowed to fantacise about. That's like Stalin's and Hitler's dream to control other people fantasies. How about no fucking way. And I will fantacise about whatever and you will never even know. And you have a problem with that you are sick tyrant.
no, i understand your point. but you're arguing against something that she isn't saying. she's not advocating for thought control. you're doing that guy thing where you hone in on one phrase and misconstrue the point being made. she's simply saying that the notion of entitlement to women is a problematic mindset. and your response is calling people tyrants for saying that thinking of human beings as objects is bad..?
Oh, but I am advocating for thought control! Thought self-control. For some people that’s too much to ask.
I'm advocating for complete freedom to fantasize for everyone about everything. I can fantasize about killing all 8 billion or torturing them for decades. Who cares? Nobody knows what I fantasize about 🤷♂️
God does. That’s what I’m talking about. Also. If you think you can fantasize about those things and people will never be able to tell, you’re wrong. It will bear fruit in your life.
Well you are suggesting to control thoughts of other people to benefit you. You are not talking about your development you are looking for a free benefit. Not how you can get better. What does God think about that?
And I actually agree with this point but it's more everyone's private spiritual thing not prespribed from outside. And it sounds more like Karma than God
I'm more for awareness and integrated all parts of oneself rather than suppressing
And specifically prescribing supressing sexual thought through dogma leads to Catholic preasts raping children. Is that really what you want more of? 🧐
Just stop thinking about sex and it removes 4 billion years of evolution from your body what a silly childish idea that will backfire spectacularly
one doesn't have to stop thinking about sex to recognize people as human and not objects...
Many women enjoy being treated as an object from specific men
and some men enjoy being treated as an object from specific women. what's the point? we shouldn't go around treating humans as objects by default.
Men don't. Men enjoy the opposite to be in control. My point is you nothing about human nature and kind of childish following dogmas that don't work in reality
do you not see the hypocrisy in your reply here??
No, I just ask people to leave me alone. I don't ask them to do something or to not do something. I don't care, just leave me and my private thoughts alone
And second point that win-win relationship is bad or impossible because men should not get what they want to achieve feminist utopia
Maybe you don't get my point? 🤔
excellent points there's a huge difference in appreciating beauty and objectifying a Woman. actions follow mindsets, so if a man's mindset is one of entitlement and objectification, his actions will follow. when Women are reduced to objects of desire, they become less than individuals his eyes.
I enjoy most of your notes, but this one makes me sad. We are all damaged in some way, this note shows some of your damage. Please, go outside today, let your bare feet touch the earth, clear your mind of these negative, aggressive thoughts and find joy, love or appreciation for something in your life.
Where is my damage showing here? What makes you sad? And what on earth about this was aggressive?
Trying to control other people, telling them what they can't do with their own mind, that's kind of over the line. It's like if I come to your kitchen to tell you to paint brown
🫂 the idea that we are here to respect one another is foreign to many Sorry for all the triggered men in here.
No no, it’s fine. It’s a wake up call that I’m not doing this enough.
I tend to lean toward the feminine here. Bitcoin has a major masculinity issue. Tons of “strong” men who need a good cry
Personally, I don’t see emotional stability as feminine or emotional fragility as masculine. At least not inherently. Like so many other things given these labels, they are every human’s choice, and both men and women display strength and weakness.
I think I'm entitled to do whatever I want in my own head including fantasize
Yep, that’s the problem! 💯
soon there will be devices that can read your mind everywhere you go and the thought police will take care of it for us
I don’t want the thought police to convict you. I want the Holy Spirit to convict you.
Of course I can tell when someone is conventionally attractive, (symmetrical), but the beauty of a person is only truly revealed in the quirks of their personality. I love an oddball.
There are so many different kinds of beauty, it’s true! What I’m saying is actually more radical than “it’s okay to tell when someone is beautiful,” conventionally and physically or otherwise. I think it’s good to ENJOY that they are beautiful. Many people don’t see that enjoying beauty is not the same as fetishizing beauty. This is what I’m trying to call attention to.
I understood. Just piggybacking. The hyper critical me doesn’t believe in beauty. Everything is a flaw. But I am catholic so that has to be taken into consideration.
A thing can be beautiful without being perfect 🫂
*probably fat and ugly.
lol yes, and?
