Oddbean new post about login | logout The fact that people who still believe the Earth is spinning have to maintain the position that everything would be flung at up to 1000mph in one direction if the Earth suddenly stopped spinning is one of the most ridiculous, child-like beliefs a thinking human being can possess. You're just sitting there one day, and all of a sudden out of nowhere, you're experiencing the equivalent of being thrown from a jet that suddenly hit a wall... even though you objectively never feel any movement. Honestly, it's hilarious that people believe that shit.
Cognitive dissonance is a real thing. Whenever I mention flat earth I get met with either “you’re a fuckin idiot” or anger.
And they say gravity, that's why, but can't even explain what gravity is. They say its a force, but its actually the opposite of a force. Inertia in acceleration
It's something that is only possible in ones imagination, because at no point in reality would anyone ever be violently flung across the air while sitting perfectly still on the ground. The sci-fi movies and stories really let our imaginations run wild, and it seems most people never grow out of holding these absurd beliefs.
Why would the earth suddenly stop spinning?
Does it matter?
If a very ridiculous event occurred it might have a very ridiculous outcome
Hilarious watching you try and rationalise the belief my man.
ball earth makes more sense to me than flat earth but OK like, what do you think is underground? lava? and then what? hell?
Stationary doesn't have to mean flat. Geocentrism is the basis of all observations ever made, and all we get from astrophysicists is "nah-uh that's just an illusion." I don't believe in hell, and not even heliocentric subscribers know what's below the ~8 miles people have ever managed to dig, so your guess is as good as mine. What I am quite sure of is that the realm we live in doesn't move, based on all observations. There is no exclusive evidence that the Earth revolves around the sun, since there is an equivalence in validity between the two models... I just lean towards stationary at this point in time.
Do you think other space objects also orbit the Earth? For example the moons of Jupiter - do they orbit Jupiter and Jupiter orbits Earth? Or do they orbit Earth directly and just happen to float in the vicinity of Jupiter? Or does Jupiter orbit the sun which orbits earth? How exactly does this work?
I believe all celestial bodies move around the Earth - the sun, the moon, the "planets". I don't think space is a thing in the way they sell it. Even made a curious observation the other night - focused on Jupiter (444 million miles away, allegedly) with a telescope, and then tracked to the moon (238k miles, allegedly) without changing focus, and it was perfectly in focus. I have doubts about the distances they claim, too. https://m.primal.net/HZDP.png
You're not addressing the question. the moons of Jupiter orbit Jupiter, not the Earth. Making part of the universe not Earth-centric at least.
There are "moons" that appear to orbit around other celestial bodies. The main celestial bodies all appear to orbit around the Earth though. La Grange point probes made the same observations... 3 times. Earth is at the centre of it all. https://m.primal.net/HZDT.png https://m.primal.net/HZDS.png
Therefore you accept that at least not everything in the universe is earth-centric.
All observations ever made would disagree with that assertion, but roll with that.
I don't think we're talking the same. If a moon orbits Jupiter, and Jupiter orbits Earth (somehow), then the moon, let's say Europa is orbiting Jupiter directly, not Earth. It would go around the Earth only indirectly, thanks to Jupiter. Is that clear? The "CENTER" for that moon, Europa, is Jupiter. It's a Jupter-centric orbit. And you said that's the case.
Yet even though that moon is orbiting Jupiter, it is still orbiting the earth on a larger scale, since it follows Jupiter in its orbit around the earth.
To that moon, to whoever is living there (if there's anyone living there), they are orbiting Jupiter. What matters here is the definition of the word "orbit". The curly salad drawing that you presented is not orbits. Europa going around Jupiter is an orbit. A simple, curved line around another larger object.
Only at the equator. That would happen only at the equator. And why would it be hard to believe? You feel nothing in a high speed train traveling at maximum speed in a straight line without acceleration, but the moment it crashes against the wall or it "suddenly stops" you become either mashed potatoes or a flying missile. What is so hard to believe about this?
*Up to* Because when I am sitting still on a floor, I am objectively not moving despite what fictional space agencies suggest. Feel free to try and reconcile that belief in your head man. It's totally ridiculous to me though.
This is the same as saying "this can't be true because I don't believe it's true". You are wasting everyone's time with this kind of nonsense. Get serious.
You're telling me I need to get serious while holding such a belief? LOL No one is forcing you to read or respond to my thoughts.
Then tell me what would happen in the scenario that I described. Do you expect to survive in that train?
You're presupposing that we're moving in the first place, even though it cannot be observed or felt, buying into convoluted theories that it's relative from a guy who stole his "work" from other people. It's all just an "illusion" according to them. It's all an amazingly fantastic idea that was placed in our heads and rationalised through years of programming, and I completely reject it. The only time we ever feel anything is when the earth moves beneath our feet via an earthquake or tremor. Everything is else theoretical bullshit that I no longer subscribe.
It cannot be felt but it can be observed. We already went through this.
You're wasting your time here. I spent 38 years of my life believing in the same thing that you and most people continue to believe, and I'm done with that until some solid answers are provided. And these aren't the questions I'm asking. In fact, I'm not asking any questions here. It's very simple. Let some flat earthers go to Antarctica and freely explore to put this all to bed. They will never allow that, so we're at an impasse of ideological beliefs.
Have you ever closed your eyes inside a car or train and not been able to feel the movement of it? Have you ever woken up inside an airplane and not immediately known whether you were moving or still? I personally lack the ability to tell whether or not I'm moving via some direct sense and have to rely on looking and listening I do have a sense of acceleration and deceleration (thanks to tiny hairs inside my ears) but not a sense of objective movement
That's why the becomes a theoretical discussion of "it only appears that objects move around us but it's just an illusions and here's why". There is no exclusive evidence the earth orbits the sun or moves; interferometric experiments disproved this assertion and then along came the laughable 'science' that is relativity, dark matter and dark energy, which is what led people to hold such preposterous ideas so close to their hearts without understanding how convoluted their suggestions are under the illusion that they are somehow brilliant. I don't believe in the ever changing big bang theory, or evolution and its missing links, or abiogenesis (which has been sufficiently proven to be rubbish research by James Tour by going through the chemisty aspects, in detail), or climate change, or space aliens. All lies from the same people who brought us the moon landings, I spent my entire life believing it and I no longer do.
I agree with you on some points but not others I don't think everything in western science is baseless, just everything since the war
Not everything, but most of it is mathematically obfuscated theoretical nonsense with a bunch of actors pretending like these things are certainties. In reality, they can’t even explain or define gravity, and relativity ended up at dark matter… which, when you understand the implications, is pretty fucking disastrous for them and their model of lies.
False. "Interferometric experiments" didn't disprove anything. You can observe directly with your own eyes Earth's rotation by looking at a Foucault pendulum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmqjokCwNQs
🤣 We’ve been down this road, and from what I remember: “Brian cox is a moron”, that glober was clueless, the scientists conducting that variation of the experiment were just doing it for funding, and Witsit doesn’t know what he’s talking about. You just dismiss anyone who doesn’t line up with your view, even if they agree with you apparently. You keep believing this proves anything, and ignoring why relativity exists, it’s really no skin off my back. If this is the best evidence the hundreds of billions that these “experts” can present, then no wonder it bothers you so much.
