Important to remember that nostr simply relays notes and other stuff, from one user to another.  That will always be valuable.  It does not STORE data, there's other solutions for that, which are not nostr.  The storage market (e.g. for notes, and other stuff, which actually was written in the original web proposal) will always be 1,000-1,000,000 times bigger.  So nostr has a total addressable market of maybe 0.01% of the web.  That is perfectly OK.  The challenge is not, and will never be to grow nostr to 500million users.  The challege is to spread ideas such as zaps, or ability to move from one app to another, or an app eco system, to the wider web.  Nostr then provides realtime payments, which is the cherry on top. 

 That’s not how I would personally think about marketshare. I would measure market share more along the lines of “what portion of identity-based applications can I log in with via my nsec?” 

 When measuring Nostr’s global market share, however, we need to be aware that “hybrid” Nostr apps will not have the same freedom power as “Nostr only” apps. 

If it uses Nostr as identity layer, and stores user data in a local DB, is it really freedom tech?

Hybrid apps are inevitable. Question is, how do we measure success and promote freedom tech? 

 I think we're agreeing.  This is much more in line with an extended nostr eco system.  Remove the relay part, and allow logging in with nsec identity is essentially the bridge to the wider web, for which the TAM is 1000x bigger.  Relays end up being a small part of that. 

 Phrasing it another way.  nost is far bigger than nostR.  But nost itself is basically the web + taproot. 

 thank you for explaining. 

what is Nost?... I haven't heard of that 

 Nost is something I just made up : Notes and other Stuff

It's much bigger than NostR which depends on relays

And adds an important element of taproot and schnorr to the web.  What you could call an nsec too.  This has a much larger total addressable market than the relay part.

I knew fiatjaf for many years before nostr.  I kept saying to him that the data must be transport agnostic.  Either by luck or design, it is in nostr.  That's the path that will let it scale to a far bigger market, though most have not yet realized this.  I think Lyn has.