Oddbean new post about login | logout the future of damus is a marketplace of turing complete, sandboxed edge algorithms powered by nostrdb. edge algorithms means no relay overhead. efficient, private, scalable, where new algorithms can be created, shared and sold without limits. I just figured out a solid plan on how to make this happen. I’ve started building it today. This may be bigger than zaps 💥
How would it be different than DVMs?
from what I gather from his message, they run on your machine, think of it as custom private "feed algorithms" that you can use and you control and can sell to other users
these run locally, are private, don’t depend on an internet connection. They are turing complete nostr queries that run locally. DVMs are inherently about asking something from an external resource which may not exist or stop working.
Huuuge! @Don't ₿elieve the Hype 🦊 this is 💯 what I meant with "DVM's" that run locally.
you could also do something else, for space conserving reasons to trade off more advanced indexing, while only noting where the data was seen via a compact serial index events are so small that even simple filter indexes take up quite a bit of space... probably would help to have varints for timestamps event serials, but yeah, easily 128 bytes or so for a basic filter index, if you want more advanced stuff than that it's gonna reach towards being as big as the average 750 byte events themselves gonna think about that idea though, how to compactly store the timestamps and indexes, these fields occur repeatedly within the index and for access counters as well for the need of managing a garbage collector
Let’s fucking, go?
Yes, let's!
I’m waiting to download it App Store locked me from downloading
Nostr's Smart Contracts? Can we do some type of STARK vm to create proofs that people run the code without changing it? :)
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Always ahead of the game my guy ... Wonder wheat he is about to create tho 🤔
Coming in hot 🔥
YUGE IF TRUE
It will be, if you can solve logistics/customer service. A seller should be able to ship a box of stuff to an address, make a listing and then collect satoshis as orders roll in. On the flip side they should be able to pay someone to handle returns and other customer service issues. If they do decide to handle everything themselves, the User experience should be the same. That way we can have competing drop-shipping services plus DIY all in one interface.
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Excuse my ignorance. What does turning complete mean in this context?
They will have infinite flexibility, so that people can have limitless innovation when building these algorithms into the future
That’s awesome. Will come with a rudimentary tool for normies to configure their own algorithms? Or is this aimed at the tech savvy who need to code the algorithm and put it on the store?
👀 nostr:nevent1qqs2t5k67cg96cn788xc58033mznejruqp7vp8yscp8hmhqtx3jnflspp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqzyr02k7w6lgwzhe955mf6egf40dk25zm5f06x44ff5khyvs5g270xsqcyqqqqqqgpty88z
Since its wasm, there can even be innovation in algorithm generation tooling. Everything from visual programming (node graphs) to scripting.
Love to see it. Side note, this is how I try to bridge the knowledge gap 🤣🤣🤣 https://i.nostr.build/Q7Pr7.jpg
I just wanted Notedeck skins, but I'm okay with this too 🤣 This will be baller if you can pull it off. It's what we've all been talking about for a year, an algo marketplace. Let's go dude.
looking forward to learning more.
I did not understand that. But hell yeah
Starting to write down the low level ingredients needed to make this happen: https://github.com/damus-io/nostrdb/issues/33
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Where do the algos live? Maybe in Carbonado?
the algos are in portable binary strings: nscript1qpshxmgpqqqqqqgtqfsqxlml0uqh7cqqqqppsqg9dehhxarjpehx7um5wf0hxet5ta3x7mmvqqqqxqspqyzsxqgqqyrs5qgxd4jk6mmj0ypqqzqpqyxqzqs2z5q3xqzp5qyyr8qg9qpqqsgpweqsqyqqrg9skggzqpqcczqtqywqqsvcpq93xqsqqqqqcqqqqphqqmcq0gqxzqrsqpesehczp5
This has a DNA nucleotide sequence vibe.
DNA is just code after all
What if i told you I already had this working? 😉 My agents should talk to your agents!
cant imagine we have the same implementation 😅 mine is a bit crazy
We do not. But that's what makes it fun! Mine is a bit crazy too. Should definitely compare notes!
Started writing my notes here: https://github.com/damus-io/nostrdb/issues/33
What about moderation ??? 👀
this word means very little to me without more details
I refer more to this part, without leaving aside the moral values of freedom nostr:note10ghw8mkq7kt7xlwjy0w0f0p8h54ujttp229qyrpyrpt9u68qtpsqswsn46
nostr doesn’t host media so this makes no sense to me
I needed to hear both sides, thanks for responding
@verita84 is a side? I thought he was an autist troll
Yesterday, someone spammed global with links to child porn from matrix.org Sure nostr dont host media but relays will host links to child porn and said images will be stored on everyones phone, app, beowser cache making them store said porn
many clients have a feature to not download images from people you don’t follow, including damus.
Yes thats good for those minority clients. But many have cp on their device now lol
reassess. like truly. consider perhaps the question: who do you work for? is it for free is it the for the cop in your head
Hoping to see what it unveils.
