Oddbean new post about login | logout Yeah after their "re-education" they were returned, in fact a lot of Ukrainian POWs were returned back after a stint in reeducation and they also have to sign documents stating they will never fight again - and if caught again they will be executed etc. They Chechen fighters are some of the hardiest motherfuckers around - they did a lot of progressive work in tight urban areas, Kharkiv, then moved to Mariupol and then to Azovstal. Followed their "story" from their announcement to their take over of Azovstal. In fact, I've been following this Ukrainian thing since 2012 or so
Haven't heard anything about "re-education." Just stories about starvation, torture, losing so much weight they look like holocaust survivors, etc. And these guys recover and go right back to fighting. Those documents are at best worthless since killing POWs is still a war crime and Russia is well known for doing it anyway. And at worst a problem for whoever made them sign them, since it just means these guys will be even more motivated to fight and not give up. Chechens fled or surrendered in large numbers in Kursk region. They're nicknamed the TikTok army. Been following Ukraine since 1979.
Good, fuck those nazi's. Azov have been carrying out war crimes for the past 7 years prior to the invasion. Beating people, raping, robbing - killing. It's all documented, or was. I'm sorry, Russia is no Israel. If they were doing what you say they were doing, we'd have global outrage. Seems like it's only the West saying so - which we know is utter bullshit, so keep that in your pocket. Like I said in 2021; if the UK wants to drive the EU into war and if the Americans want to fund it (like they do) then let them - it's what, 32 v 1 and still not doing shit to Russia? Russia has every single right to escalate because of Nord Stream 1 and 2 - both of which were direct attacks and covenants to World War. The ball has been in Russia's court for a very long time.
What Nazis? Azov was co-founded by a Jewish Rabbi, had Jewish, foreign, and minority members, and have no Nazi ideology. Even nationalism isn't it, since Nazis wanted to spread their nation across Europe, while "nationalism" in Ukraine just means they want to stay an independent nation instead of being swallowed by Russia. Nazis weren't the guys defending their country from foreign empires invading them. The war crimes for the past 7 years? The ones that Russians already admitted was done by them and by the Russian army? Something that everyone there already knew from the start? Did you miss that? What kind of a media bubble are you living in? I'm guessing you didn't even know that Russia had already shut down Nordstream "indefinitely" a month before it was blown up. It wasn't being used anyway. https://image.nostr.build/b5cd0e070d1f26ad0217bf6b3f7a67d24161684d9bcd94f9336d95add7bcf920.jpg https://image.nostr.build/9e6fb787e2a16f62182f2bc2b2a19dabe97e2db3a87684f802d55f60b2c0985b.jpg
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Ah, that's a 2014 classic. Let me know if you recognize this flag 🇦🇹. That image was debunked back in 2014. The swastika was painted on (you can see pixelation), and Nazis having a Nazi flag and a NATO flag together is hilarious. You actually fell for that though?
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Who are these people and why are their faces blurred? (I know why, but I wonder if you can guess why)
@S!ayer Here I have passed him a few photos to see if he says they are not Nazis.... 😂
You know the strategy is to deny deny deny even to the point of absolute absurdity just like the same ilk everywhere else...
No, that's not the strategy. The strategy is to provide context and history of the whole thing, such as by providing sources, like this https://ms.detector.media/manipulyatsii/post/29642/2022-06-10-why-azov-is-not-a-neo-nazi-battalion/ And then sit back and watch the NPCs, who have pretended for years that they're smarter than everyone else because they mindlessly believed the opposite of whatever "the media" says, flip out and start making up excuses and denials.
Facts don't matter to that lot.
Facts do matter. Context matters too. If I was to say that you're a nazi, like typical leftists do, that doesn't make it a fact. If I was to post a photo of you holding a Nazi flag, that's still not a fact, since I could easily manipulate a photo to show that. Critical thinking requires a bit more than that. Like, for instance, "what Nazi things have you or they done?"
Dress it up with reasonable sounding words all you like, there is plenty of footage & reports over the years & if people look they will find it. But they are lazy so probably won't...
There's actually zero footage and reports of Azov doing anything Nazi or supporting any Nazi ideology. Nazis are the guys who try to invade and take over other countries and destroy other people. They're not the guys who get invaded by an imperialist dictatorship that's trying to genocide them.
Go waste someone elses time with the disingenuous BS.
I'll take that as you not having any examples of what Azov is doing that's "Nazi." And, you don't need to waste your time spreading Russian propaganda either. They have actual paid government agencies to do that already, spending hundreds of millions every year on RT, Internet Research Agency, etc.
Do as you like, I'm just standing back waiting for you all to kill each other, the quicker the better.
The sooner the lying, thieving, "progressive" statists nuke each other to ash the better it is for everyone else that survives.
The craziest thing about this war is how many "conservatives" who were apparently pretending to support liberty and freedom, turned on those actually fighting for their freedom against a leftist dictatorship, and like common leftists started calling them "Nazis." You couldn't make that shit up.
The USSR is dead, people really need to stop living in the past.
One lot of idiots wants to fight because they abandoned Communism, the other idiots want to fight because they think it still is... 🤣 Fucking Clown World.
Nah dude, one lot wants to fight because they think Ukraine belongs to Russia and was always Russian, and the other lot wants to fight because they experienced what it was like to live in a free democracy after spending 70 years under communist dictatorship, and would rather die than go back to living under Russian occupation.
And yet, Russia still holds control from the same Kremlin as USSR, many of the same leadership who were in power during USSR are still there (even Putin is ex-KGB), Russia took over all the seats and positions of USSR in international organizations like UN, instead of reapplying like all other ex-Soviet countries, and what's worse Russia continued all the same USSR policies, from economic like state ownership of all major industries and direct control of businesses, to social like state ownership and control of all media and massive government censorship and propaganda, to international policies. Russia, despite not being USSR, still continued to invade, wage war on, and suppress neighboring countries, such as Georgia 1991 Moldova 1992 (Transnistria) Georgia 1992 Tajikistan 1992 Georgia 1994 (South Ossetia & Ingushetia) Chechnya 1994 Dagestan 1994 Chechnya 1999 Dagestan 1999 Georgia 2008 Ukraine 2014 Ukraine 2022 In Ukraine alone, Russia broke five peace treaties already. And just recently Russia staged a coup in Niger, same way USSR has been doing for decades before it fell apart. But clowns think that "USSR is dead" just because it changed its name, and because western media convinced them that "Russia is okay now, it's different, it's not USSR," and ignored or tried to cover up all the wars and rights abuses Russia has done over the last 30 years.
You deserve each other. Too bad for those who wanted to keep to themselves like you were supposed to. Maybe we should have a prisoner exchange...
All our neoeverythings for those who want to be left the fuck alone.
That's funny. Ukrainians want to be left alone, but you support the ones who aren't leaving them alone, and implying they "deserve" it, that Ukranians deserve Russians and what Russians are doing to them?
"Azov was co-founded by a Jewish Rabbi, had Jewish, foreign, and minority members, and have no Nazi ideology." Have you seen Israel? lol please stfu
What about it? Is Israel trying to pass nationalist socialist laws, eliminate Jews, and expand its empire to neighboring countries like Ukraine is trying to?
"I'm guessing you didn't even know that Russia had already shut down Nordstream "indefinitely" a month before it was blown up. It wasn't being used anyway. " yeah, that pipe was empty... https://image.nostr.build/63238918ec4d717128ecd86b8c0a8c5aa0492a8774432c06d9f7760eb26030db.gif https://image.nostr.build/c1e1242a5fb9d5600700ca456a048742ba67cc434eea0d1a89088b686e89ddea.gif
It may have had residual gas, but you can check and verify that Russia first cut throughput by half in June, and then shit it off completely in August, blaming it on sanctions making it difficult to get parts, but more likely doing it to punish Germany for sanctions. Seriously, just look things up before you post. It's not hard.
"Chechens fled or surrendered in large numbers in Kursk region. They're nicknamed the TikTok army." Kursk? Those dudes cleared out Kharkiv, Mariupol, Azovstal Iron works and then went home. There's no "chechans" doing defensive work lol only people who want them to be "chechans" You have no idea, do you?
""Ukrainians, you can keep them. We don't need them for a hundred and two years. And in fact, don't call me at all," - Alaudinov suggested that the AFU keep Kadyrov's soldiers who voluntarily surrendered into Ukrainian captivity. This is how the commander of the special forces ‘Akhmat’ commented on the video with captured Kadyrov's soldiers who call their relatives. According to Alaudinov, surrendering is a disgrace for a Chechen, which can only be washed away with blood." I don't know if I can share videos here, but I have quite a few of Alaudinov being angry about it, and a few of Chechens being captured and tied up.
