Oddbean new post about login | logout freedom of speech must be balanced with other human rights
Balanced by whom?
by Us
Who is us?
such as having a firearm?
words can also be used as weapons
Your logic is the exact same logic tyrants use to silence freedom of speech. To silence speech for any reason is to empower tyrants to oppress, imprison and kill those that keep them in check.
and don’t change the topic
Brazil bans Twitter because it is "dangerous" and a "threat" to democracy. Your logic is the excuse totalitarian tyrants use every single time. The Nazi's ... The Chinese during the Marxist takeover (Great Leap not-Foward, and the Chinese Cultural Destruction Revolution of the 60's) ... The Russian's dyring the destruction under the Lenin Marxists ... They all claimed speech to be "harmful", "dangerous" and a "threat" to democracy.
A .45 held to your temple is not the same as spoken words, ever. Anyway, you cannot silence enough of us. You'll have to try to kill us first, but be warned; Were aiming for /your/ chest and head as well. You don't have any right to control me, or others, tyrant. GFY.
How do you mean? Does freedom of speech clash with other human rights?
what do you think? nostr:nevent1qqsx8j90dauvdj43u5qsuc44u0gg5ywhh72a2rf9peuk5ckweaatfeczyqxcc4t0f7zcq5y2q4lwysqq4d36a7y6utp7lhyqrzhy6trnml2dwqcyqqqqqqgjyge53
So you are saying no to freedom of speech. People are responsible for how they react and act according to what they hear. That's where accountability needs to be put. Accountability needs to be based on people's non-verbal actions, not what they say or don't say.
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i’m not going to shut up
I might disagree with you but I’m willing to defend your right to speak whatever you might find peace with because I value freedom of speech. So, don’t shut up but feel free to show your ignorance as much as you like
That's the only sensible thing you've said. It's good to speak. Keep doing it. That's how we learn. If one person ignores you or bans you, go somewhere else. You are in control of you. Do what you can to have debates and be heard.
It's true that freedom of speech comes at the price of people being able to spread misinformation and say hurtful things. But that is a fair trade off compared to the alternative which is allowing a group of people the ability to dictate what can and can't be said. That power when wielded in the wrong hands has proven time and and time again throughout history to lead to authoritarianism, tyranny and suffering far greater than anything free speech can enable. And I completely disagree with you that an AGI ruler will make this better as they will be subject to the same biases or worse, biases we don't understand. Not to mention that we are very very far away from AGI. When it comes to disinformation, the best cure against that is education. It's time we as a society stop outsourcing our thinking to others. We must take the time to continue our learning every day, only then can we maintain freedom of speech and combat misinformation. Not by letting a group of elites decide what is the Truth™
The idea that a benevolent ruler or AGI would police speech better than a decentralized network of free people in reality, is the animistic fallacy. She, like many others, is completely beholden to that and a number of other fallacious ideas that fail to respect the law of causality or her own accountability to the real conditions of life.
What happened to your idea that blocking people is censorship? Sounds like you want the right to invade other people's spaces but to also be able to stop other people from talking, just not let anyone else do it to you. nostr:nevent1qqsgm0ercj8ygg53evw3zzcn00n37vvwjgkrdrdemhemt8vhm7vw8nspz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsygqd332k7nu9spgg5pt7ufqqp2mr4muf4ckralwgqx9wf5k88h756upsgqqqqqqscvsuu3 If you think that blocking someone from your own feed or community is censorship from the platform, there is no reasoning with you. And if you want to never be blocked but have the ability to block others FROM MORE THAM JUST YOURSELF, then you are doubly effed in the head.
Please elaborate.
No
Speech isn't violence. Not many people understand violence these days bc they've been raised with participation trophies, cry closets, and entitlements. Gen X was the last real generation of people who undestood that words don't mean shit unless you can back it up with an actual fist and we actually went outside and fought if we had to. How you take what someone else says is solely on you and you alone. People need to grow up.
Does anyone have a proposal to help this person limit free speech on nostr? 🙂 nostr:nevent1qqsy6t6suhxtvfmn50th5fy6539z9u94hderf9t9ndqpq6q7eat7mmqpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsygqd332k7nu9spgg5pt7ufqqp2mr4muf4ckralwgqx9wf5k88h756upsgqqqqqqsng4v69
Bad/dangerous take IMHO
No
We need a nanny state. A cabal that orders our being. We need adults with more wisdom to guide us. We are here for them.
I think consequences just need to be applied. A person is free to say "pedophilia is great!". Yay for freedom! Consequence, they are beaten to a pulp in the streets. Yay again!
This is the way. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from repercussion.
what in the authoritarian crap is this
One who doesn’t know how dark and corrupt the world is … hence why she tried to get me to go to Nashville TN. How do I know she’s a fake? #ProofOfWork She’s as bad as that Laura Doomer. At least Laura is honest about being a bought cuck to the ultra wealthy. 🤣💁🏻♀️🫡 https://media.tenor.com/cyx5BVPJUJMAAAAC/pussy.gif
Hello. As an AMERICAN 🇺🇸 Veteran of foreign wars #GFY
Thank you for your cervix
No. It must not. Just like I should be able to have my own nuclear arsenal if I can afford it.
Really hope this is a troll. nostr:nevent1qqsy6t6suhxtvfmn50th5fy6539z9u94hderf9t9ndqpq6q7eat7mmqpzfmhxue69uhkummnw3e82efwvdhk6tczyqxcc4t0f7zcq5y2q4lwysqq4d36a7y6utp7lhyqrzhy6trnml2dwqcyqqqqqqgkfjagl
It takes all kinds... But some kinds really just can't get over how deep they are into worshipping the state, since, how else would their crap ideas be enforced. nostr:nevent1qqsy6t6suhxtvfmn50th5fy6539z9u94hderf9t9ndqpq6q7eat7mmqpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0qgsqmrz4da8ctqzs3gzhacjqqz4k8thcnt3v8m7usqv2unfvw00af4crqsqqqqqpfznx7f
Hard no. Freedom of speech and expression. No cap, no limit. The individual is the smallest minority. It all comes down to personal responsibility and accountability. nostr:nevent1qqsy6t6suhxtvfmn50th5fy6539z9u94hderf9t9ndqpq6q7eat7mmqpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0qgsqmrz4da8ctqzs3gzhacjqqz4k8thcnt3v8m7usqv2unfvw00af4crqsqqqqqpfznx7f
And who will make this balancing? Government? No, thanks!
Freaking commies are everywhere.
The only acceptable "balance" to someone's human right to free speech is someone else's speech. If you think some speech is bad or wrong or dangerous or negative or whatever... you don't get to infringe on it by ANY means. The only thing ypu can do is counter it with more speech. That's the balance you are looking for. And yes, it's on all of us to bring that balance.
YET ANOTHER "Scary/Interesting" thread... 👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇 nostr:nevent1qqsy6t6suhxtvfmn50th5fy6539z9u94hderf9t9ndqpq6q7eat7mmqpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsygqd332k7nu9spgg5pt7ufqqp2mr4muf4ckralwgqx9wf5k88h756upsgqqqqqqsng4v69
How to anti-zap? nostr:nevent1qqsy6t6suhxtvfmn50th5fy6539z9u94hderf9t9ndqpq6q7eat7mmqprpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuendwsh8w6t69e3xj730qgsqmrz4da8ctqzs3gzhacjqqz4k8thcnt3v8m7usqv2unfvw00af4crqsqqqqqpwq0uca
Muted lol
This is kind of a non-statement unless you enumerate what the other rights are that you are balancing against free speech. And perhaps share an example. As it is this just seems designed to provoke people who will assume you mean ‘XYZ’ and they don’t agree with ‘XYZ’. Here are some examples of free speech that perhaps you feel should be balanced to potentially convey what you mean: 1) It’s 3:00am and you are standing on the sidewalk in a neighborhood with a loudspeaker shouting obscenities. 2) You have drawn a disturbing image on a large poster and walk around a school on the sidewalk during their recess period with the poster. 3) Your hobby is going into public spaces and pointing at random people and shouting “They have a gun!” Before running away acting terrified. 4) I write a sworn affidavit testifying to my witness of being harmed, but I just make the whole thing up. Is this the kind of thing? If so this is already in place correct? Do you think more needs to be done?
yes. #bitcoin standard
So you think the current balance between freedom of speech and other human rights, I’ll assume safety, needs to be improved by adopting the Bitcoin standard? I’m not sure I follow.
she sure seems like a bot to me
back in the kitchen, bitch.
By what mechanism do we achieve such balance
Your freedom of speech is tied to your basic survival instincts, it's pre-historic, humans had to draw in caves to show other humans which dangers or opportunities were lurking near; humans were communicating with smoke to hunt, with light to navigate and hieroglyphs to engineer. Communication is how the reptilian brain interacts with the world.
Disagree. Any censorship, no matter how sensible it may seem, leads to more and more censorship. Censorship predominantly benefits those who wish to exert power over others. All ideas should be discussed openly. I’m from the UK and am watching my government change what is acceptable to say in real time, all under the guise of the common good, and what any sensible person would deem reasonable. I’ve never considered truly free speech as important as it is now
Free Speech doesn't work without the right to bear arms.
Hey, you are free to join a privately run commune and do so. But don't coercively rope us in. Good neighbors have tall walls.
Wish I could un-zap this one. They are called human rights, not human wants. You should owe me a couple1000 sats for this braindead bullshit.
The U.K. has been under fire for the last few months. But Americans under estimate the power of society over law, the power of people over government because really…. Americans think they are sovereign when really they are the most caged animal of all humans. The U.K. have been producing poetry like this for decades. You’re not even close: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pOpz_3O5Lho
You are 100% free to say that here I am 100% free to disagree I won't decide what you can't say You won't decide what I can't say Those are the human rights that nostr was designed to protect
Satire?
There’s no such thing as online violence
Fuck off
Freedom of expression is not a human right. It is a natural right. It is not granted by society, but by God. No matter the infringement on this right, one can always practice it freely in some way, in private, or even in their own head. Contrast this with a human right, something like safety. Safety is a human right, granted by society, and not a natural right granted by God. One’s safety can be taken by another (although the right to defend oneself is natural), it can be taken by a criminal, the government, etc. Freedom of expression is not the same, like the right to bear arms, one can attempt to infringe upon it, but the exercise of these natural rights can never be truly prevented.
