Oddbean

maybe not under 18 and over 65 many left before or changed sides. a lot got captured within east ukraine!? more important they got a law thats forbidden for politicians to negotiate any diplomatic progress towards laying down weapons with russia!? maybe just watch more russia today at least you would have to know both propaganda lines even in my country they wrote down on paper that you are not allowed to watch russia today i know where burning books is coming from and you should know too

> more important they got a law thats forbidden for politicians to negotiate any diplomatic progress towards laying down weapons with russia not true. if you don't agree give me link to that law. all laws publicly avialible on the gov site. I know that law but the wording of the law is different. russia can easily end this war by withdrawing troops from ukraine territory. why you asking Ukraine to lay down weapons and give up their homes. > maybe just watch more russia today No. thank you. that is russian tv outlet. there are a lot more reliable sources. > maybe not under 18 and over 65 many left before or changed sides give me please sources that prove it.

sorry, cant give you the source its just info i gathered over the years searching for it really takes time my biggest problem i got is the judgment of who is a massmurder and who is guilty because when a "west" people do this they are easily identified as slaves of a massmurder history and you should just clean infront of your door i am just missing the words for calling USA geopolitics out for being in war with iraq and afgahnistan for 20 years and over 1 million dead. and now the "west" is funding ukraine where there are still people who hail to stepan bandera!? i cant just take it sorry i couldnt give proof i guess you are smarter then me

> and now the "west" is funding ukraine where there are still people who hail to stepan bandera!? I live in Ukraine and I don't know anyone from my circles who knows about Bandera more than you ) Its definitely some russia narratives sits in your head. We are just usual modern people working and living usual life, we don't care a lot about bandera or history in general. So, "funding" Ukraine. Ukraine fought russia for the first 4-5 months without any help. Putin hoped to occupy Kyiv quickly. He failed. "Funding" in fact it is helping Ukraine not be destroyed completely. For example here in Kyiv there are Patriots systems which help safe people from russian rockets. Why it is bad thing I don't understand sincerely. Next, "funding" in fact meands that US give Ukraine equipment, and money goes to US military factories to replenish supplies. US spent on Ukraine 113 billions in 2022-2023. US military budget - $842 billion in year 2024. so 1/8 for destroying russia military capabilities. current estimate - russia lost 60% of their military forces. For example US spent 2 trillion in Afghanistan all this numbers I just googled.

yeah its sad, and what happened in the donbas region before 2022? ukraine leadership is just innocent and does every step the right way? where i am from they do most of the part wrong thats why i am asking

> and what happened in the donbas region before 2022? Can you ask more specificly? that's too generalized a question > ukraine leadership is just innocent and does every step the right way? no > where i am from they do most of the part wrong i'm sure you know better. BTW, if you watched the interview, can you tell me what russia's goal is in this war?

> Can you ask more specificly? that's too generalized a question did forces of the ukraine government / military kill citizens in east ukraine between 2014 and 2022 ? > BTW, if you watched the interview, can you tell me what russia's goal is in this war? denazification

> did forces of the ukraine government / military kill citizens in east ukraine between 2014 and 2022 ? Yes. In April 2014 small russian military group led by Igor Girkin infiltrates in Ukraine. They capture small city (Slaviansk). Then they started recrute locals. Actually in short this is how conflict in Donbass started. So as a consequences of fightings local citizens were killed. Thats whats happens in every war. When Russian propaganda presents the fact that civilians were killed in Donbass, it omits the whole story. So to an outsider it looks like Ukraine just started killing its own citizens for some unknown reason. Or because "fascists". You have to understand that I can't mention all details because this conflict is very old, and it is not started in 2014. the problem is that it's very difficult for an outsider to make sense of it all, because there are so many events and details. Plus there is a huge amount of lies. If you want to go deeper in Donbass story you have to learn who is Girkin and all his story. > denazification explain me what it is, I still can't understand.

> So as a consequences of fightings local citizens were killed. Thats whats happens in every war. maybe the people of the donbas region just wanted their own territory. its called secession. its legit process in my eyes but not in the eyes of ukraine government i guess > explain me what it is, I still can't understand. denazification would be if all "laws" against a small group in a country get canceled, in the ukraine example it would be the law that russian language is forbidden or east ukrainiens dont get payed pension anymore or similar things thanks for the info about Slaviansk. do you think a small group could capture a 100k city if the inhabitants wouldnt support the small group at all? on the krim there was a referendum the problem is that west just doesnt except it. but how else it would be possible for a region to do secession? i also think that the whole story is more complex and thats why i dont trust west / nato mainstream propaganda news... all what they tell is putin bad, selensky good russia bad, nato good... and that is just not the case

> maybe the people of the donbas region just wanted their own territory. its called secession. As I said military group which captured gov buildings in Slavyanks were russian citizens, not just citizens - military special forces. If another country's military takes over a town, does that sound like the locals want independance? > do you think a small group could capture a 100k city if the inhabitants wouldnt support the small group at all? Girkin's group was about 3,000 people. i guess taking over the city is a strong word, they took over a few buildings, like the local government, the police. the police just scattered. The locals just didn't understand anything, they went around filming it on the phones. Thats how we saw that was russians. > on the krim there was a referendum Crimea. The referendum was held when Russian troops were there. it's quite strange to hold a referendum on joining russia when there are russian troops outside your window, don't you think? The referendum was held in two weeks, ask any official if it is realistic to hold a referendum in two weeks in a region of 2 million people. Crimean authorities had no voter lists, anyone could vote. i know even Russian soldiers who were standing there voted. A referendum is a legal procedure that should be strictly described and monitored by observers. Neither Ukraine nor Russia has a procedure for a referendum on secession. It is simply forbidden. > denazification would be if all "laws" against a small group in a country get canceled, in the ukraine example it would be the law that russian language is forbidden or east ukrainiens dont get payed pension anymore or similar things I live in Ukraine and I speak russian. Don't have any problems and never seen someone having problems. Any official papers of course have to be filled in ukrainian. No big deal, I know ukrainian well. > east ukrainiens dont get payed pension Not true. how can Ukraine pay pensions in a region occupied by another country? > i also think that the whole story is more complex and thats why i dont trust west Yes, I am quite surprised that you went so far listening my details. not everyone ready to learn nuances