>  maybe the people of the donbas region just wanted their own territory. its called secession.


As I said military group which captured gov buildings in Slavyanks were russian citizens, not just citizens - military special forces.
If another country's military takes over a town, does that sound like the locals want independance?

> do you think a small group could capture a 100k city if the inhabitants wouldnt support the small group at all?

Girkin's group was about 3,000 people. i guess taking over the city is a strong word, they took over a few buildings, like the local government, the police. the police just scattered. The locals just didn't understand anything, they went around filming it on the phones. Thats how we saw that was russians.  

> on the krim there was a referendum

Crimea. The referendum was held when Russian troops were there. it's quite strange to hold a referendum on joining russia when there are russian troops outside your window, don't you think?
The referendum was held in two weeks, ask any official if it is realistic to hold a referendum in two weeks in a region of 2 million people.
Crimean authorities had no voter lists, anyone could vote. i know even Russian soldiers who were standing there voted.
A referendum is a legal procedure that should be strictly described and monitored by observers. Neither Ukraine nor Russia has a procedure for a referendum on secession. It is simply forbidden.  

> denazification would be if all "laws" against a small group in a country get canceled, in the ukraine example it would be the law that russian language is forbidden or east ukrainiens dont get payed pension anymore or similar things

I live in Ukraine and I speak russian. Don't have any problems and never seen someone having problems. Any official papers of course have to be filled in ukrainian. No big deal, I know ukrainian well.


> east ukrainiens dont get payed pension

Not true. how can Ukraine pay pensions in a region occupied by another country?

> i also think that the whole story is more complex and thats why i dont trust west

Yes, I am quite surprised that you went so far listening my details. not everyone ready to learn nuances