The Web is taken.
They control your data: Servers can change anything you send at any time: E-mails, medical records, private family pictures, social media posts, orders etc. You won't even notice it. Not only they can change, but you can also create new content as if they were made by you. Your history is written by them.
Servers do too much: They convinced us we don't have enough processing power and moved all the logic from our applications into servers. Even though a phone has an equivalent processing power than a single server today, we believe we must use complicated server architectures to achieve anything in the web. Phones are the cloud.
Everything is a rental: You don't own your domain name. It's a rental. Your server is a rental. Your digital certificate is a rental. You don't own anything. Your digital identity is a rental.
Data Silos force you to stay: Moving is too hard. They profit on making things just difficult enough to keep your around. After all, it's just 9.99 a month.
Enter the Verifiable Web
Own your keys, own your content. No one can write for you. No one can change what you write.
Sign everything you send. Every little like, every little key press. If it wasn't signed, it didn't happen.
Verify everything you receive. Trust the signer, not the servers in between.
You decide how data gets to you and where it stays. Your digital history is assembled by you.
Welcome to Nostr
LFG 🥳
Looking for group? Oh right. Let's fucking go!
@MAD check this out, I think it explains exactly why this is not just another social media platform. Interesting that it's hard to comprehend for many.
This should be pinned to the top of everyone's feed when you first use a client.
The only thing they got right was the outbox model! Nostr fixes everything else.
Nostr doesn t fix anything.
i dare u to find a note that are old enough ? Let say a 4 month old note from npub.
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เว็บไซต์แบบเดิมโดนยึดไปแล้ว
พวกเขาควบคุมข้อมูลของคุณ: เซิร์ฟเวอร์สามารถเปลี่ยนแปลงทุกอย่างที่คุณส่งได้ตลอดเวลา ไม่ว่าจะเป็นอีเมล ประวัติการรักษาพยาบาล รูปภาพครอบครัวส่วนตัว โพสต์โซเชียลมีเดีย คำสั่งซื้อ ฯลฯ คุณอาจจะไม่ทันสังเกตด้วยซ้ำ ไปกว่านั้น พวกเขาไม่เพียงแค่เปลี่ยนแปลงได้เท่านั้น แต่ยังสามารถสร้างเนื้อหาใหม่ราวกับว่าคุณเป็นคนสร้างเองได้อีกด้วย ประวัติของคุณถูกควบคุมโดยพวกเขา
เซิร์ฟเวอร์ทำงานมากเกินไป: พวกเขาโน้มน้าวให้เราคิดว่าเราไม่มีพลังประมวลผลมากพอ และย้ายตรรกะทั้งหมดจากแอปพลิเคชันของเราไปไว้บนเซิร์ฟเวอร์ ทั้งๆ ที่โทรศัพท์มือถือในปัจจุบันมีพลังประมวลผลเทียบเท่าเซิร์ฟเวอร์เครื่องเดียว แต่เรากลับเชื่อว่าเราจำเป็นต้องใช้สถาปัตยกรรมเซิร์ฟเวอร์ที่ซับซ้อนเพื่อให้บรรลุสิ่งต่างๆ บนเว็บ โทรศัพท์คือคลาวด์
ทุกอย่างเป็นการเช่า: คุณไม่ได้เป็นเจ้าของชื่อโดเมนของคุณ มันเป็นการเช่า เซิร์ฟเวอร์ของคุณเป็นการเช่า ใบรับรองดิจิทัลของคุณเป็นการเช่า คุณไม่มีอะไรเป็นของตัวเอง แม้แต่ตัวตนดิจิทัลของคุณก็เป็นการเช่า
ไซโลข้อมูล (Data Silos) บังคับให้คุณอยู่: การย้ายข้อมูลออกไปทำได้ยาก พวกเขาหากำไรจากการทำให้ทุกอย่างยุ่งยากพอที่จะทำให้คุณอยู่ต่อ
เข้าสู่ เว็บที่ตรวจสอบได้ (Verifiable Web)
เป็นเจ้าของคีย์ของคุณ เป็นเจ้าของเนื้อหาของคุณ ไม่มีใครเขียนแทนคุณได้ ไม่มีใครเปลี่ยนแปลงสิ่งที่คุณเขียนได้
เซ็นชื่อทุกสิ่งที่คุณส่ง ไม่ว่าจะเป็นการกดไลค์ การกดปุ่มทุกครั้งก็ตาม ถ้าไม่มีการเซ็นชื่อ มันก็ไม่เคยเกิดขึ้น
ตรวจสอบทุกสิ่งที่คุณได้รับ เชื่อถือผู้เซ็นชื่อ ไม่ใช่เซิร์ฟเวอร์ระหว่างทาง
คุณตัดสินใจว่าข้อมูลจะมาถึงคุณอย่างไรและอยู่ที่ไหน ประวัติดิจิทัลของคุณถูกสร้างโดยคุณเอง
ยินดีต้อนรับสู่ Nostr
#Siamstr
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Me rompió la cabeza, hermoso ⚡
Yup, I agree. They have taught people to throw all their eggs in the same centralized basket with a few guys holding it up....turns out that's blackmail.
u talking about bitcoin or about those "Jack" ?
mallers or dorsey
Owning a nostr npub is like owning a bicycle.
I mean sure, it's all yours. It just doesn't go very far.
One reason that the industry has moved to servers is that client OS does not respect developers anymore. We need much simpler and open OS that can run on phones. Maybe it will never happen and we are locked with windows, Mac and android forever
Would those phone manufacturers build phones that can escape to the control and make people free ?
Just remember they are for child labors and they want u to pay for it at high price if u are supid enough.
if people own their own server everything would go on the right path.
https://void.cat/d/NuEqmjrjmPmNZRetjnAVsS.webp
You will own nothing and be happy.
Welcome to #Nostr
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I own my Bitcoin.
I think thats the only thing any of us can own, and thats why its the greatest invention in human history.
A viable solution would be a mesh network of devices....interesting enough
Honestly none of these problems is in my top 10 list (or any list)
i own 17 domain #unstoppabledomains . but... not sure they are truly decentralised
They are like eth, they sell a lot of lies.
Can u use those domain outside of unstoppabledomain domains XD ?
i thinks they just sell subdomain that all. Its all centralize. My take is sell all and move on.
https://void.cat/d/SUZ6pgGDQb1MUGXFFPbyJn.webp
Handshake is truly decentralized. No foundation and superior technology. Learn more at handshake.org & theshake.xyz.
Amen! Take back control of you. Say and hear what you believe.🤝💜
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"The web has been taken."
This is true. But it wasn't taken by servers. It was taken by 'smart' phones.
Phones that take all our attention. Phones that don't allow open development. Phones that watch us, try to sell us out, and dumb down our practical skills.
Servers are open. The network is still mostly open. Servers have no restrictions, don't have engineered obsolescence, don't have batteries that pollute the landfills. Servers don't have to beg an app store for anything they run.
Show me a phone that can be a server and do anything practical at all by itself.
Show me a phone, that does what servers do, so that it can be the last phone I'll ever need.
ShOW ME THE PHONES
I'm waiting...
Till then, I do recommend learning servers and networking.. the AI will never obsolete this skillet.
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Love it: verifiable web #vweb
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Carve this on your skull
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Niceeee ⚡⚡⚡ Orange Blessings Bro 🙏
This why at over 50 I have never posted anything online until Nostr. It’s not comparable.
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Best AD for #thenostr ever
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Time to strengthen our minds then and rely less on outside means to live our life. Take what is good and leave the rest behind.
Agree with all this
Similar concept applies to bitcoin bought on exchanges w/ kyc
Right now bitcoin is two year will be only kyc, not more unscanable people.
I hope it is further out than that
I started a project so ppl can buy hashrate
@Rigly
This way ppl can mine bitcoin from wherever and get kyc-free
i check and have questions.
Why put ur client in a aution ?
Why the escrow ? don t add the ad catch phrase plz.
and Why the email for sign up ? Remember its non-kyc
Auction is because there's only so much hashrate we have from mining farms
Escrow = sellers paid after hashrate delivery
Email sign-up is due to the need to communicate with you once you buy
The auction is to put ur client in a competition and to make more profit. Its a Eth token strategie.
The escrow is usless. the people who create the keys are those who own the keys even if they lend the key after.
So if people want non kyc bitcoin they have to leave an email address not token auth can be made, no solution can be found outside of an email ?
is easy this way.
ur solution ask a lot of stuff and no verrification can be made outside of your team.
For me its a pure scam.
Gotcha. This is great geedbackl.
We have a limited amount of hashrate to sell on Rigly.io
Auction is the fair way to sell it
Re escrow, would you prefer we put the address public?
If we do that, then the buyer's TX is visible ... which doesn't seem great for user privacy..
We only ask for email, you are free to create an anonymous address.
Thoughts?
The limited amount of hashrate doesn t justify the auction mechanic.
W those note everyone can learn that its profit ur core value.
if u and ur client only know ur address, what the problem ?
Bitcoin fondemental still work fine.
So the escrow thing is a lie.
Like anyone who do transactions in bitctoin, u are going to choose.
Its Bitcoin fondamental or fiat game. Right now what i see is a product that are focus in fiat game.
not necessarily in all countries
Who talk about countries? We talk about kyc. I think in a span of two years, that it will be illegal to buy and stock ur keys in a non-kyc wallet. Meaning they will be kyc bitcoin ''legal'' and non kyc bitcoin ''illegal''.
All bitcoin amount will have a ID on them. And it will be illegal to transact without reporting the ID to an "official". It already began, look all those chickens in the space who are going w the flow. Talking about jack mallers and others. They are a lot of chickens in the space.
https://void.cat/d/Xbe2M1nz3rzjveoKDyFiCM.webp
Run a personal server. Easy to do with FOSS like StartOS.
wrong ! u are asking to take all the linux stuff and put them in one and only OS, STAR os. U didn t learn anything ?
We're (re)building a purely functional OS on top of a solid state Interpreter. No user maintenance or installations needed. Just flip it on and it runs forever. https://vaporware.network
if everyone, i mean everyone spit on u in ur business i will know u got something. Overwise i just pass.
cuz all tech have the same boss. And the same tech support (i include cia nsa and all those fake justice warrior)
Who is my boss?
That right. Who is your boss ?
What if u are unverifiable ? and nobody can tell without checking u
Why not buy servers for your own in ur basement ? That was the idea of bitcoin right ?
the vast majority of applications still need backend servers for processing. i run an application with over 100 application, web, and database servers for just production. there's no was in hell it would ever function without servers.
Personal servers bud.
Peer to peer, purely functional, solid state Interpreter personal servers. Ships. Vaporware.
Come on, despite I know my virtual private server (rental) my domain names (rental) and my internet connection at home (rental) won't last one day after my departure... However some pages will remain for decades, for instance this one: http://lesitenuls.free.fr/ (you can see that maybe the author is not yet dead, but he/she clearly lost the credentials) THIS IS HOW INTERNET WAS BUILT !
Are you the developer of Amethyst app? Great!
Combine the power of owning your social data with self-hosted services for the stuff you need daily and build your own web.
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Verifiable Web
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For some reason this really reminds me of Gandalf reading the Dwarves book in the Mines of Moria, same sense of dread.
"They have taken the Bridge and the Second Hall. We have barred the gates, but cannot hold them for long. The ground shakes... Drums. Drums in the deep. We cannot get out. A Shadow moves in the dark... We cannot get out... They are coming."
One ring to rule them all.
#tolkien
On nostr, nobody owns their uploads
with NIP-94 and #blossom you can
So now we need to tell every nostr user that they will need their own infrastructure to own their data or pay a third-party =)
Nostr not using S3-compatible API's by default is so retarded. They invented their own different way which was not needed. S3 is the standard for cloud storage.
You can own your online identity & domain name w/ Handshake. Learn more at handshake.org & theshake.xyz. #HNS
in ur dream XD
no ownership in others rule. When u buy a product its ur own. HNS is on ETH chain ? XD
this looks like a really exciting project. will certainly follow now I know about it.
thanks for sharing.
GM
Your history is written by them.
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nostr needs its own DNS option for IP resource resolution
Self host your infrastructure.
Not only that, they can access your keys and data on your device, the only way to be a little bit safer is keeping your keys and important data on a air gaped system, sign air gaped and broadcast it. Your CPU has backdoor and can communicate with the internet without you notice, i think this is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Anyone that has Sovran Pro is not in their control. This is why we do what we do here at Sovran Systems.
Not your server, not your data.
If I encrypt it before I send it to your server, is it your data either?
If you are using someone else's servers, encryption is a very vague term on its own. Does the encryption happen on the client end? Is there encryption at rest? Does it stay encrypted as it travels from client to server and server to client? Is there monitoring software on the third party's servers? What happens when there is a court order for the data? Do you know the people who have access to the data center? How secure is there data center? What type of encryption do they use? Is it open source?
So, there is a lo of trust you have to have in another when the store "your" data.
This is why I waited for an android from a fren in 🍁 canada onli to have to buy one because it did not arrive or hasn’t yet .. we still await.
Wow! 👏🏽👏🏽 My first few days here, now I've come to this note, I'm impressed, I believe in this, it's possible
Decentralizing and using primarily, if not exclusively, Free Software (As laid out by the Free Software Foundation) is the only thing we can do to get out of this trap.
i don't think a server is what you think it is 🫠🫠
Personal servers. Optionally in the cloud.
Taken? They get milked unless return it back with all interest paid. Protect your identity under a private key. And wait.
Except you have to input your private keys in nostr clients and they steal it z you are damned for real.
There are signer apps available if you don't want to insert your key in clients.
In the future, we will have hardware signers that will keep keys completely offline. It's inevitable.
Which signer app can I use with amethyst?
Amber: https://github.com/greenart7c3/Amber
Thanks. I have installed it, but don't find a way of making #amethyst use it. Is there a manual anywhere?
Once it is installed, log off from Amethyst and you should see a Login with Amber button in the Login Screen.
It works, And as I expected it asks for confirmation everytime I write something!!
Very nice, good work!
You know, most likely
Next windows will live in the datacenter, and users will just connect/screen share connect.
schools, work places, government, will all adopt this. Then boom 50+% converted, in a blink of an eye.
DNS is biggest flaw can be SEIZED without notice for whatsoever excuse or reason. worst part is if you paying for registry till its end.
Who needs DNS when you have peer to peer discover gateways? All I need is the IP of a gateway that tells me where all my friends are (their IPs or their proxy IP if they prefer) and then I peer with them directly.
DNS is nice, but we don't need it.
every nostr dev advertise new launch of any service using DNS lol - I guess all DEVs are out of touch with u for now
they need do peers.dat for self-sufficent nostr app
nos.lol
relay.nostr.info
relay.snort.social
nostr-pub.wellorder.net
nostr.oxtr.dev
brb.io
nostr-pub.semisol.dev
60% nostr run on above domains - can few moee famoous ones
Yea I'm talking about a pretty different (and much better) future. We'll get there.
I'll be posting updates as Vaporware keeps making progress. We should get a company Nostr account up soon too
code should be able to run by anyone and no registry authroity or service dependency just like bitcoin core or torrent p2p client. mininal seeder initialization maybe
Yes absolutely. That's how it is today and how it will remain forever. We are cypherpunks to the root.
Our OS is open source and freely extendible by anyone. If someone _else_ builds some walled garden shitcoin hell on our tech, I wish them well and anyone interested can jump it. For the darknet pirate anon-maxi, they'll be able to do whatever they want without their hands tied or their identity exposed or KYC'd.
Let a thousand patchwork networks bloom
Nice sentiment but relays are servers too. Except they have no guarantee to store your data, just relay data from one user to another. Most likely on a relay your data will get nuked. Servers allow signing, and verification, it's just not all that common. It would be nice if the phone was the cloud, but generally you want a cloud to be always-on, so phones are not the cloud, at least not today. I would like the phone to be the cloud, but nobody has said how that can happen, in practice.
It really bothers me that we now have data center-class internet connections at home compared to the ones in the 90s. Storage is cheap, and text messages are small. So why is this problem still not solved? Why is it so difficult to solve storage using P2P?
It's not hard anymore. We're doing p2p storage.
People here are usually skeptical about new tokens. I don't know what to think really. But it 's worth trying. Any plans to integrate with Nostr?
Not a token! A computer.
Yes, concrete plans to build a personal proxy relay for Nostr! I can't wait to show it to this community.
I don't blame them for being skeptical of tokens! They probably should be most of the time. Anything https://vaporware.network does with crypto/tokens will be strictly optional. We're building a new kind of purely functional open source OS
The way I ran my Urbit ship was without a URL. I port forwarded the browser over ssh. TBH, that is what impressed me about Urbit the most. But the project seemed stalled by a top down inflooencer culture which didn’t seem to know what to do with what they had. If you’re doing something to change that, it’s good.
Yea Urbit had a lot of problems. Most of the major ones were technical but it also had some.. I'll say "alignment/impetus" issues and leave it at that.
We built on Urbit for a while and pivoted to a new stack that we are more involved with core development on. We plan to fix many of the things urbit got wrong (and keep the good stuff!)
I didn't know you were on Urbit. Did we already talk about this? What was your @p? I'm ~sogrum-savluc, I worked at Quartus. You might have used Gora or another of our apps :)
Liability, responsibility, and convenience.
Own you keys, own your content, own your compute, own your purely functional Solid State Interpreter operating system, own your server.
Don't just stop at the keys.
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After migrating web applications to SPA, with the modern javascript web frameworks, they managed to sell the idea that processing needed to go back to servers somehow. It happens that they wanted to sell serverless servers, and for them it was convenient to move all back into servers so they would earn much more. Somehow, devs and managers bought this terrible idea. Unfortunately.
Corporations that are selling user data to generate revenue try to cut cost by deferring server-side work to your client is what got my panties in a bunch.
Things are changing finally. You can now have your own server, your very own private cloud hosting almost all of your digital life, controlled, accessed, modified only by you. This is possible thanks to the amazing effort being done by the team at @Start9
There is a reason client-server architecture exists and I think it's still a very good reason. The architecture isn't to blame for market capitalization.
Some of us over here invest in hardware. The real cost of operating server hardware is the man hours. That's where they win. I pay so much less and have so much extra capacity on my own hardware that I hustled for, than any cloud can offer. It just takes my some of my Sunday and the occasional evening to maintain.
If anyone needs help finding hardware and building home-datacenters hit me up, we can do the math if you really want to make a difference.
Also some of us make server based applications built for self hosting ;)
https://github.com/vnuge
We need to decouple Nostr from DNS.
Address everything by npub, naddr, etc.
how would you address relays? move everything to tor? can we do some kind of hidden service addresses for nostr too? maybe nip05 should serve as the only anchor to dns and then you can address notes as handle@nip05.domain/bookmark (and bookmarks will be listedin .well-known/nostr.json similar to relays but as a key:value pair) ? did someone already do this?
actually the bookmarks should be some nostr native object so its been signed by the user
1 anchor to DNS is too many in an adversarial environment.
Agreed. If we have a nip65-like event to point npubs to IPs, As long as you know the ip of one relay, you can find everybody else's IP.
Yes, currently DNS is very centralized (plus names are effectively rented). But we must have some sort of human readable solution for naming (as opposed to memorizing an entire npub, for example), or else it will look like we are taking a step backwards.
Just a few more generations of semi conductors awayc
who are servers like w3.do, nostr.build, and njump hosted by?
I like your nostr sales pitch!
Makes sense , in the 90’s we hosted a document retrieval web application on a server in our server room and our customer had two dedicated isdn lines routed to us for them to connect to it . My phone today would run laps around that web app and all the content we were digitizing and hosting back to them was mainly created by thier workers during the whole process , those workers used CB radio mainly but it’s all iPhone and android now.
#unhacktheworld
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nice post, that was very well written.
🤯🤯🤯. Nostr is so much more than a social media protocol! Nostr is owning your digital foot prints!
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