@f884fa2b I hear what you're saying, the only problem is that they're still imposing religious views on others - it's just that in these cases we feel the same on these issues so it works out. 

As far as Catholocism goes, the wreckage it has left through history can't be justified by a few folks that managed to find reinforcement on things they should have been doing anyway.

I do respect your point of view - no caveats, and I'm not saying everyone who's religious is a bad person. 

 @fcbf5051 Where you see an unambiguous story of "wreckage," I see something much more ambiguous and complex, a story that includes Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi, both attesting to their Catholic faith as the source of their progressive commitments. I personally think the tired old anti-Catholicism that used to prevail in a lot of cultures is not very satisfactory as a way to explain things.