Oddbean

non-interference is a central tenet of Taoism and Buddhism it is also a big thing in Christianity i have been trying to wrap my head around the concept of the Second Coming with regard to this matter of neutrality and i'm just having a random thought what happens when you know something and not speaking it plays a part in the success of a deception? is it interference when you pop up and whisper into people's ears "this thing is going to happen because of X"? isn't there some kind of moral obligation to those who know to help those who don't learn? yes it is interference in some way, in that you save the innocent from the jaws of doom, but do they who know really have a choice to not inform at least some of those who will suffer of the ways in which the suffering can be prevented or avoided? furthermore, those who Don't Wish To Know, don't listen anyway, and Those Who Want To Know, try to discern this out of every random scrawling and utterance they come across just thinking out loud after reading a piece about the Demiurge and the idea of Satan as the God of this (material) World and how to think about the idea of a Jesus coming to Save the Righteous there is an aspect of this which seems to me to be about holding back the tide of entropy that is the natural state of matter, the involuntary, unthinking mass that just tumbles down the slope towards its inevitable arrival at the ocean, sooner or later i had an insight one afternoon as i sat in the old train central train station (Nyugati, iirc) staring at a train marked with Ukraine back in late 2015 struck by this story about how God was the infinite future point towards which all that is good and whole converges over the passage of time, this image in my mind like a model of space and time starting with a singularity and unfolding and that which is without merit is the negative space and that which is good is a substance that accumulates with the progress of time as it grows towards infinity i'm not sure if i'm expressing that as well as i have previously written of it today but the point of the rumination here is to examine the question of whether there is anything sinful about the notion of a Second Coming and whether indeed there might be those who have passed beyond human who come back to help those who seek to go beyond it pass through into membership with them i think yes i think there is good reason to believe that as it says in Enoch where the Head of Days laments failing to screen out Nephilim from Noah's Ark's passengers that they would get it right on the second round and i think that second round is upon us, in the next 50 years such catastrophe the likes of which not even the most robust man-made object with the best of current technology would ensure survival something like 72000 years ago there was an event that according to genetic analysis suggests there was only 5000 individual humans who survived such a cataclysm, implies that it can happen that during such disasters literally everything much over a few million cells of complexity cannot survive, because of radiation, because of flooding, because of cooling and volcanic eruptions and rocks from space formed out of a superflare's gas ejecta if wise and advanced people knew with certainty that we would face such an event, they would surely feel a pang of obligation to open a gate to gather those who are worth keeping and would potentially join that eternal mass of stuff that is the body of God as i conceived it on that day there is a certain meme around these days "nobody is coming to save you" but even in the Bible where such a reference might point it talks about this - the most famous being the preparation for the great wedding, of the gathering of the lamp oil and preparing the garments i know one thing for sure whenever i see a little creature about to end life due to its ignorance, i feel a pang of obligation to act, if i can, to preserve its life a little longer, and feel regret when i fail to do so it is easy enough to see how this might apply to those who have greater understanding of the ways of this universe that they would also act upon their lessers to give them an opportunity to continue on their path towards joining the with what was, is, and will be...

Not done reading it, but gotta point out the nihilism in that demiurge belief if the internet gnostics. Nihilism might be the root of all inversions. IMO, internet gnosticism is not the real gnosticism. Its very analogous with the inversion that's taken place wrt to name "jew." The modern meaning is not the meaning. Those nihilistic internet gnostics are leading people into this trap : https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2012%3A30-37&version=NLV Or Matthiew 12:30 if the link doesn't work

i'm very familiar with the theosophy and the crowley and all that stuff... i have a tattoo on my shoulder of a Chaosphere, which i had decorated further with some white ink of an alien's face, and for some time considered myself a chaos magician... and also, fuck crowley, did i mention? so i am now firmly in the view, something that was born out of my discovery of prayer and my adventure traveling from Nettuno to - eventually back to Sofia, and the things that came to me during this time, that there is a legit God and that it isn't this "neutral" nonsense but rather this word refers to the contrary tendency towards purification and life, indeed, life would not exist without it, and life itself is literally this war against entropy, the Jihad, if you like, though i'm not fond of the associations of that word, i'll just say "I mean the one talked about in Dune" heh

didnt knew about the no interference however Buddhism not precisely denies the self... interference in the way you put it isn't has more todo with will, (albedrío) in such cases maybe to interfere without will can be schemed...? but it would be only get more messy...

yeah, i think that is an important point, goodness is not a machinery, or strategy, it is the action itself, and the spirit of the action, which of course can fail, but when judged according to what was knowable can be said to be the right decision for the actor in spite of the result it is the most difficult thing of all, that ever present uncertainty that one is taking the right path, when information may be concealed from you in order to enable evil to prevail for a time

then probably there the hint that the shorter the life of experience the closer to the old ways of language (?) at least, in terms of having knowledge, of ourselves and place... indeed as life of experience evolves the shoring of measurement systems got firmly so the world keeps turning...

i think that implicitly you have to favor order and structure and life to also be Good and Righteous i like to point to the interesting ratios about this... life, and order, probably make up less than 1% of what is in our physical universe, probably even less yet it composes everything that has any meaning why would you, as a living creature, the grey neutrality over that which defines your very existence? it's absurd celebrating misery, is what this nihilism is... it's a contradiction in terms whenever i see this shit i call it out, and it makes me no friends but idgaf about friends if friends want me to join them as inert blobs rolling towards annihilation wtf!

Compare: John 15:5 New International Version 5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. With; Dao de Jing, ch. 34 The great Tao flows everywhere, both to the left and to the right, It loves and nourishes all things, but does not lord it over them. And when merits are accomplished, it lays no claim to them. My thoughts : The operation of the Spirit is the cause of material happenings. The symbolic precedes the material. Material things are rational things - all things are divided from things. Being and nonbeing are only differentiated by the rational mind. The rational mind holds things in place by way of linguistic objects. The map is not the territory ; the real world is wiggly. Condensed into something actionable : expand. Human expansion is expansion of the rational, thus the expansion of logos, thus we are conduits of spirit. Pour it into everything. Build. Multiply. Go to the stars. Grow that vine everywhere. The thing stopping growth is nihilism. Don't give it any ground. No idea if this is relevant. I forgot what you said and amethyst doesn't let me look.

both references are ways of expressing the vision i had at Nyugati station in budapest in 2015, that God is like the collection of all the things that are good and once they join they last forever as part of His body i feel it is relevant, and i think that while the abrahamic thread is at the centre of our historical situation europe is not all of the world and asia, africa, australia, the americas, and all of the islands in between are all places where stuff happened and people recorded and retold histories that all connect together this "connecting together" is the very nature of God, almost the most essential

Agreed. It is a single thing, when you remove the overlay of the mental process. I see it as infinitely expanding and unfolding, rather than converging, but all points are derived from the same sameness. Kinda like key derivation... I'm definitely not the right person to take it in that direction, but it seems analogous.

yes, there is a remarkable similarity between the filtering of entropy by clock arithmetic in cryptography and the process of accumulating - what Mckenna would say "novelty", or as it is said in the biblical texts, righteousness - perhaps Mckenna's ramblings influenced me in this idea a lot (i read all of his books) but it totally makes sense, that which stands by itself, can hold something else upon it... and this traces back to earlier influences, like many of my science teachers in my scools using the expression "from first principles"

You had a good education. I never heard that term (1st principles) until Elon Musk started saying it. McKenna and Alan Watts were my two best friends while in China - for three years, I listened to them every night. Recordings of them on YouTube was literally the only reason I needed a VPN.

yeah, i think i was born on that boundary between Gen X and Boomer, literally a few months before the release of the first Star Wars movie... changes were under way by the time i got to my 5th year of highschool that totally rugged me of my CS degree because i was so pissed off that an english teacher was using it to downgrade my social credit score over me not handing in stupid book review assignments especially after that fateful day in my first attempt at my last year of highschool where he said "we won't do 1984 because you asked for it" and nobody else had an opinion and i had just read it already and had a lot of things to say about it

just also note that my school introduced a social credit score in 1992 long before i ever heard about this concept about 25 years later, which the chinese communists are busy refining they called it the "discipline" or "levels" system and me and my best bud in highschool at the time we put together a screed parodying the shit out of it and inserted our little text into every locker we could gain access to, and we had a little group of friends at the time who helped out make the operation as fast as possible it was so impactful that the whole school was talking about it and they pinned it all on me hilarious because it wasn't my idea, but my buddy, who did all the graphics and writing for it pretty sure they trashed me realising i was a passionate libertarian already at age 16 and made sure that my english teacher kept me as riled up as possible

A second coming in the physical form would imply He didn't get the job done in the first place. I obviously think this is not the case. On the good side next in line is Buddha 6 and Michael's little helpers (not in this order). On the evil side there will be a few antichrists in crescendo until the final boss... Next major calamity is more than 58 centuries ahead imo.

it literally says as much in Enoch, search the text for "Head of Days" in reference to Noah, i'm not sure if the word was "regret" or "lament" but admission of error was very clear in my memory when reading it and further, Jesus was not born at that point, and i'm not going to buy into this "the word was god" doctrine in this, not least of all being because the first part of Matthew is literally his list of ancestors and the subject of his conception is central to pretty much all forms of Christianity the contradiction might have something to do with this trinity doctrine, which i think is also a mistake, and the other thing is that whatever traces there was of the event described in the first few books of the New Testament in history have been lost or obscured, it could well have happened earlier than 2000 years ago because probably not coincidentally there was a whole crop of this kind of religion springing up all across the world 2500 years ago, in china, in india, in the middle east (Zoroaster and others) i'm just not going to "trust the word" of a book that has been collated and selected by an organisation that is publicly known to have a LOT of old books that it lets nobody know about, one that has a very bad reputation of being populated by pedophiles what makes me sure this is the time coming is that the whole scheme is based on a natural phenomenon of catastrophic energy and magnetic field changes that we are starting to really see, this year more than the previous solar cycle, and the record of auroras and all this, pointing towards a model that suggests that we are on the precipice of a massive rearrangement of the land and water of this planet, or like it says in many apocalyptic texts - that no thing is left upon another"

Not a big fan of the mud flood theory. There was a shift of gears in the 15th century imo. As for the Bible, it was heavily edited. Old languages are a lot more versatile than current ones. There is a zero chance of understanding its text without revelation because words had dozens of meanings which are now lost in translation. This goes for all sacred text that I know of regardless of religion. However, I don't deny an inspiration from a higher being for such texts. I'm just making the claim it wasn't God who dictated any of them. There is an obvious distinction between the creator of all things and the administrator of our reality. Some call it the Demiurge. I prefer Mr. Administrator. The same way many lunatics claim they're Satoshi Nakamoto. Similarly, the admin reached a high enough level to control stuff, yet no high enough to create life. All in all, the worst mistake I see done over and over again is to overlap Lucifer with Mr Admin. If Jesus is the middle way, it's basic geometry that there are two kinds of extremes. On one end is materialism and at the other is the demented desire to escape matter without understanding its purpose. My two sats.

so you are an adherent to the "mud flood" theory that history was all covered up a bit over 200 years ago? i've seen this one on Donut Factory it was interesting but most of her points are silly, like mezanine basements common during the 18th/19th century buildings they don't explain the dinosaurs nearly as well as the pole shift hypothesis in my view