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Feart n Tired 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 | 9 months ago (raw) | export | reply | flag +1 
 You can hate Hayton. no-one can stop you.  You can object, on reasonable grounds, to AGP in a specific job that includes a power imbalance.  And you can be epically disappointed that others don't agree with you.

but this seems way out of hand.

https://unherd.com/2024/02/caught-up-in-the-gender-critical-civil-war/

It seems to me that people, the women in this, are just as guilty as those (often men) in other movements of factionalism, and wanting to join something just for a fight.  I don't think any group on any issue is free of that.  People are tired, there is a degree of brain inflammation (seriously) abroad in society, tempers are frayed.  Self awareness is low.  Valid points get lost. And arguments become diminished.
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Cousin_Martha_Corey | 9 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 I hope he's being honest about the reference to Hayton as "she" being a mistake due to autocue.  We'll easily see whether he is being honest based on how he refers to males from now on.  (I am not very concerned about what he does in a small number of private situations, and even better, I'll never have to know about them.)

I don't object to the host of a popular, not-specifically-feminist show having on a variety of people whom the public find interesting.  I do believe that accurate pronouns should be used.

The first couple of paragraphs of this piece are the most insightful.  This is all about the Internet.  We knew this decades ago.  We knew about trolls "in their mothers' basements" and we knew about not reading comments' sections because people are so mean.  I personally have lost or almost lost a couple of extremely close relationships because, sitting at a computer, the two people thought nothing of replying to me, publicly, on Facebook, in harsh and cruel ways.  I am talking about a very close friend and a family member.

Nonetheless, decades later, it's like we forgot we knew this.  "Oh, my goodness.  People are becoming unreasonable online.  What has happened?"

I do agree with what you're saying about factionalism.

I want to treat everyone (e.g. Doyle and his allies) respectfully.  At the same time, something seems off about those who just happen to enjoy doing what is also the most profitable -- the least likely to lead to demonetization or to severed ties with powerful people.  Therefore, I am suspicious of those with large platforms who use inaccurate pronouns.  (I am much more sympathetic to those who are just coming out of the ideology and need more time to shake off all aspects.)

I also think it's important to note that gender identity ideology isn't a problem primarily because of TRA's online.  It's a problem because institutions -- governments, corporations, universities, unions, and other large entities -- have adopted it.  It is these institutions which are actually forcing their will on others.  If all GC feminists have is the angry people online, we have almost nothing.
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Celata | 9 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 It's both. Because the activists online silence and erase everyone else online, distorting the public perception.