Did you change relays? They are probably on one of those relays still. 

 Smart 

 Definitely I changed the relays but then it’s kind sucks that DMs actually being lost in limbo 😬 

 did you use normal dm or giftwrap ('private mode')? 

 Nah! Just a normal dm! 

 oh that's crazy hmm

did u change to a different vpn perhaps before that happened? if so, it might just take some time to load in.. try different vpn, different clients..? 

i honestly think they'll just casually pop up tomorrow like nothing happened today😂 

 Some people want to make DMs more private by relays sharing them only with the participating parties which would make mirroring impossible unless the participants themselves mirror them.

I've been pushing against this since a long time but the trend is more and more towards events not getting mirrored much so you better find the relay you used back then and the relay better still be in business or else ... 

 I also against this ! Doesn’t make any sense ! I needed those DMs and now I have no idea to what relays I been connected few months ago cause I don’t keep track of them! 

 I see a business model in helping people out in your situation. Relays that store all the events and when somebody misses events, they can get them there. Or when you unfollowed all your follows you get your prior state for a small fee ... 

 Make sense but gotta find out what relays I had before to extract it. Is it possible too? 

 A service that kept all the events would know where your DMs are if they were publicly available. 

 I meant for my current situation to extract the previous information. But yeah we gotta do something with DMs on here. 

 relayable.org does backups 

 nope nvm, wrong kink

@iefan 🕊️ knows better here 😊 

 I guess his service back ups all of the public notes but not the DMs 

 ooh never thought ab that distinction actually.. wrt backups.. does it matter? it's just another note, but encrypted..i guess

but who am i lol, we'll hear it from iefan when he wakes 

 It also backups your DMs data, and of course, the content of DMs will be encrypted. You can re-broadcast those events, and once the relay has those events, your client should automatically decrypt them, and you should have all your DMs back. 

 Rugged by the relay 

 Yeah it’s fucked up! 👎 

 My DM gets mixed up when switching from Damus to Primal… 

 I think nostr.wine has made some changes recently on DMs 

 I guess nostr wine didn’t exist when I was chatting