Oddbean

☝this is your brain on propaganda. I will not engage. If you follow this poor soul and are gwnuinely curious: consider my second example in what he's replying to: are private homes where you can talk about anything without moderation a "platform"? Nostr is like that, if you don't like what someone is saying, you can leave their relays and go find your own, but you can't stop them from saying it.

You have engaged. You haven't engaged meaningfully since you've just insulted me for holding an opinion you disagree with, but it's engagement nonetheless. Your analogy is flawed in that you are suggesting private homes in general are within the platform. The most likely outcome is after seeing abhorrent content not be dealt with, normal people will leave the entire ecosystem, not just one "home" or relay. If that's what you're aiming for by all means continue to dismiss legitimate concerns with personal attacks.

The great thing about Nostr is that you can mute content you don't like. The great thing about Nostr is that the control of the media is truly in the hands of the user. We don't moderate for people because we trust they can make decisions on their own. We don't need baby-sitters to tell us what is ok and what is not ok to see. We make that decision.

You can do that on any platform but most normal people will only put up with having to keep blocking abhorrent content before they move on. Ans since normal people don't get censored on traditional social media platforms they gain very little from coming to a decentralized platform. Also when I've tried out the muting it appears you still see the notes just it says "this has been muted", so when there are people being bombarded with abhorrent content they'll just be bombarded with little hidden note notifications. Sure, I accept your premise that you believe people can make their own decisions. But what if the decision most people make is to leave the platform and go elsewhere, so it just ends up with a few die hards like yourself then a large pile of abhorrent crazies? Surely at that point there will be little reason to stick around. The problem is that your ideal is based on the idea that people will make the choices for themselves but not ever choose "leave the platform" as an option, and every zero-censorship platform to date has devolved into just the worst elements because everyone else ultimately leaves.

Yep and the answer Is obvious: if PsychoVagabondX doesn’t like free speech platforms (or even homes where free speech is practiced) then he or she shouldn’t go there. But that’s not good enough bcz they don’t want us to have it.

I haven't said you can't have it, do whatever you want. Just ask yourself if you'll really be happy if this platform devolves into the same abhorrent mess all of the other zero-censorship platforms turned into? Because I guarantee the result will be the same. First off people will see the content and mute it, then it'll keep showing up and they'll leave. Then it'll be reported widely and app stores will drop the apps as they can't be moderated. Then hosting providers will push back on people hosting the front ends and nodes. And at each step trying to appeal to a wider audience will get hard and harder and harder until only the most abhorrent people and the die-hard supporters remain.

I just pictured you telling Jesus not to preach or to be around the harlots. The bottom line is that you are dead set against a free speech platform and quite concerned or you wouldn’t be spitting talkin’ points & working so hard to convince errebody that it will never work. Why tf are you here if not for freedom? Why not go find another platform that’s more to your totalitarian liking? Why bother to speak out so hard if you’re certain that it’s going to fail? And fail it might. Just like so many other efforts have. But no thanks to you and your anti-freedom kind. But I get it man. /There’s no room for the truth in your world.

I'm not dead set against it, I just know that free speech absolutism will not work the way you expect. It'll be you and a bunch of pedos and Nazis while all the normal people bail out and app stores pull access to apps serving the networks content. Seriously, a single child sexual assault image reported to Google or Apple with no ability to be removed would likely lead to an immediate purge of the platform and a legal case against the developers of the app. You may think free speech guarantees people the right to post any abhorrent shit they want but the law and the platforms enabling you to reach a wide audience will strongly disagree. I'm here to see what the platform is like to see if there's any likelihood of it becoming a big thing. Based on the complete lack of ability to remove illegal material and the fact that the vast majority of the current users are bitcoin maxis who throw a full on tantrum when you challenge any of their opinions that it does not in fact have much of a future. It's ironic that you think it's my world lacking truth 🤣 Reality is going to be rough for you my friend.