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Vitor Pamplona | 1 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Very easy. ISPs can see connections into Tor if you don't use a VPN from your device.
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seanz | 1 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 so for us normies who run orbot, how are we to run a VPN along side that on a mobile device?
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ThyLobster | 1 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 It's just another click, but ultimately it doesn't help much I think. 

You --} ISP --} tor --} exit --} Nostr relay

OR

You --} ISP --} VPN --} tor --} exit --} Nostr relay
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seanz | 1 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 well in the first scenario your ISP sees you connected to a for node
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seanz | 1 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 tor*
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ThyLobster | 1 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 VPNs have even more popular IPs. Especially if you use Nord or express. 
Sounds like a big red flag in the VPN/ISP/DNS/Government log. 

Is there any real way to privacy/anonymity?