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PABLOF7z | 2 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 Relays will mostly be a cost-center except for the infrastructure businesses.

There’s a disproportionate concern with “who will run the relays?”

The market will provide the level of relays that are necessary/demanded. No more, no less.
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Vitor Pamplona | 2 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 But I do wonder if we missed the boat in making payments required for the use of any relay, web3-style: gotta pay per write but without the space scarcity from blockchains. 

Then the relay market could really function well.
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PABLOF7z | 2 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 That works for the web3 people because they see their presence there as alpha to get airdrops and inside info on pump and dumps.

I don’t think there’s a lesson for us (in regards to this) for us here. I do think there other interesting things to learn from the web3 scammers
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cloud fodder | 2 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 this is true.  clients 'decided' relays were a cost center and shoved all their cost there, while raking in the zaps on the frontend. relay settings were too hard for a UX etc. 

clients will realize there is a demand for relays when the notes stop flowing and none of their users was educated about how or why.  feels to me, we are at this point now.

i am hopeful for helping clients discover relays with nip66, its hard for 'the market' to exist if nobody can find the storefronts.  so nobody knows what to do.  nip66 will solve this problem so we can habe marketplace for relays just like a nostr apps store.

i am not dooming about this stuff im simply trying to educate.. im a little sad that my nostr exp feels cut in 1/2 because one big relay throttled, if we dont point it out everyone just thinks nostr ded.