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corndalorian | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 Why too slow? Once sent, the sender doesn’t haven’t to worry about confirmation time and doesn’t need to remain online during the confirmation period.
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TKay | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +2 
 Maybe you are right. 

Things are already so confusing. Do we need a new type of zaps that don’t work for everyone?

We have Bolt12 headwinds coming anyway. 

I like Blockstream, a lot. It’s just Liquid isn’t happening.
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Vic | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 This is how we make liquid happen.
Lightning got much more usage with Zaps because Nostr serves as a discoverable directory where people don't have to bother with manually sharing address for each individual transaction.
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corndalorian | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Self custodial lightning has proven itself so far to be a bad solution for tips on nostr, as much as every bitcoiner may wish the situation was different. Bolt12 doesn’t fix that because the receiving wallet still has to remain online to receive payments and still has to have adequate incoming liquidity. A mere handful of people in the world are going to bother dealing with that. Everyone else will continue to use custodial solutions. Liquid is proven and reliable especially when compared to other options like fedi and cashu. Maybe that will change over time, but for now I wouldn’t touch cashu/fedi zaps with a 10 foot pole for anything beyond small play amounts until they’re more proven. Liquid isn’t perfect either, but it’s preferable to running and maintaining a lightning node.
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Surfside | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 I'm totally in your camp on this one - bring on something that can go big for future real things.
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TKay | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 The problem is, that you right on every point. Yet I think the ship has sailed.
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corndalorian | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 What ship? 😅
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TKay | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 The shipcoin ship.
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Rand | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 still loading
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TKay | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 With all seriousness. 
This is like HD-DVD and BlueRay. We chose BlueRay. It’s very difficult to change now.
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corndalorian | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 I don’t agree with that because lightning and liquid are interoperable. Much different situation than video formats. Being unable to receive payments while offline is a huge issue for Lightning. There is no winning solution for that issue yet, and the only viable solution so far, custodial Lightning, is becoming less available, not more. What will take its place?
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TKay | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 I don’t know. 
Custodial Bitcoin Vs Non-custodial Not Bitcoin. Hard choice really.
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876b56c9 | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Why not advocate for mweb and zside Zcash orchard drivechain then it's non custodian with better privacy
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TKay | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 I don't know. This issue is about compromises. and i dont think we settled on what is the best compromise.
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876b56c9 | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Only tradeoff is they are optional lol

Both mweb and Zcash orchard drivechain give better privacy cheaply in a trustless non costodial manner