Most people on the planet? No. Nostr is not normal. I think most on nostr can and should run an LN node. Nostr is still a very wealthy technically elite subset of the worlds population. If someone needs to take a loss and take that hit to make it work for everyone, this is the best place to find those people.

My node may never be profitable strictly speaking, but what about my on chain fee savings? Knowledge gained? Sovereignty gained? Ability to help other plebs? Ability to uncle jim? Only thinking in $ profits is not the way. 

 I disagree on your assessment of the majority of the nostr user base. I think you describe a much smaller subset of people here.  

 Your task is to go on any social network of your choice and pick a user at random. You have to pick someone who likes bitcoin enough to be interested, has the resources to afford it, and is technical enough to figure out a node with 2 open channels in 1 weekend to win 1 bitcoin.

What social network do you pick?

Let's help instead of just bitching.

What node OS do you tell them to run?
What LN package?
What manager?
What wallet? 

 Pointless thought exercise. Most people on Nostr can't do what you're asking without significant help. I've helped many people with many LN related issues here and before this on Twitter. The best advice you can give most people is to not try to run a lightning node. Power users (which are not most people) should use a node-in-phone-wallet. Everyone else is better off using a custodial service. Hard pill to swallow? Then you're being unrealistic about LN.  

 A top node on a phone provider and a top custodial provider both just screwed all their customers. To say that is the good advice right now is laughable. 

It sounds a lot like you started a node with dollar signs in your eyes and are holding a grudge because bitcoin doesn't have yield.  

 Not at all. I ran a routing node for about a year and learned a ton about bitcoin and LN in the process. There is a substantial cost in the way of capital and time to doing it right and provide good liquidity and connectivity to the rest of the network. The costs far outweighed the benefit I would gain from it right now. Maybe that changes in the future. Everyone needs to make a cost/benefit analysis for themselves, but the task itself does not become easier or less expensive simply because it becomes more worth it to you.  

 The benefit *you* would gain *right now*

Are you in it for NGU or a low time preference attempt to make the world a more free place?

If it is only NGU then we will never see eye to eye. If you truly care about the cause please reconsider. More nodes is important to our success. 

 You're using a false dichotomy. NGU and caring about freedom are not at odds. You're also falsely assuming that caring about running something profitably is at odds with freedom.  

 You quit because you lost money and you advise others not to do it because they'll lose money right at the moment when the news makes it clear how important it is. You put these things at odds not me.

I know that the NGU is so powerful that in $ terms the sats spent opening channels was a very brief dip in my $ net worth. 

 You're being irrational in this discussion and accusing me of things that simply aren't true. I won't reply further to you here.  

 Fair, that last post was a bit attacky and that is not my goal.

I know I'll never change your mind. I want the opposing view represented next to your posts so people on the fence reading this can make an informed decision knowing the pros and the cons. 

I said elsewhere, the cons are real. I'm not disputing that. I just think the the low time preference freedom loving choice is to deal with them and do it anyway for a large number of people. Having different goals and time preference for my node doesn't make me irrational. 

 Start9, LND, thunderhub, and zeus are my answers.