Oddbean new post about login | logout It doesn’t. No idea what all the fuss is about. You can opt-in to using it’s reports to add content warnings to your feed on @nos.social Or not. That’s really it. It has no other impact.
It's because to non devs it sounds a lot like shadowbanning and that kind of thing.
the moment major clients adhere to it, it will become shadowbanning
This. Or if relays start caring, or being made to care. Relays do a pretty diligent job of taking down reported content. Happily, no operator seems to have taken seriously the most recent incarnation of Reportinator, and we all need to make sure it stays that way...
Clients and relays are going to do whatever their developers/operators choose to do, regardless of Reportinator or anything else. There is nothing the collective “we” can do to stop anyone from making content reports, labels, or prevent anyone else from using them. If your client or relay does something you don’t like, use a new one. That’s the value of the protocol.
Good advice, but the collective "we" need to make sure the conversation continues in public, not just behind closed doors where devs and operators can be persuaded that the userbase wants something they don't. Very proud of the devs and operators we have, but we can't take this situation for granted.
There is no public. Most people on Nostr don't even see my notes or use my relay. We are all just npubs, voicing our personal opinions in our favorite private spaces and managing our private property, as we see fit. There is no "we". There is only the protocol.
I can't agree with that, dear student of Rand. The protocol developers and infrastructure operators remain largely human, and more subject to social pressure than they will admit.
That is a good thing. 😂 Being human isn't a fatal flaw. Any developer makes something implementing NIP-01 or interpreting/analyzing events is a "protocol developer", BTW. So, that includes you, now, too. Build what you want to build.
Until they change NIP-01 again - because some VC brought an e-girl to a conference... But otherwise I agree, and awwww thanks!
Ha Ha, yeah, I've read Rand. Guilty.
We are who we quote, even paraphrased... :p
Well if it's a paid relay, then leaving seems like a waste in that scenario, unless you get a refund.
Some work on subscription models, so you can just not renew.
Sucks if you paid for the year only to find out your notes are getting censored.
@Mazin I think it's only fair that people know that if they are using paid relays for premium service, that they EXPLICITLY know which relays are using 'Reportinator'/Microsoft moderation API to censor them, don't you? Does wine interact with any of those relays?
In the NIP's themselves regulations were brought up as a reason why this was necessary. Not even joking.
"Kind-1984". My hat off to whichever dev gave snitching that name. I love Nostr :D
pretty sure it was fiatjaf, he's got that kind of sense of humor
It's too 'on the nose' for my liking.
Step 1) Everyone uses the same 3 clients 😊 Step 2) Demand all controller logic only be in clients 🤓 Step 3) Top 3 clients all implement same controller 😬 Step 4) Cry about shadowbanning 😭
same top 20 relays inspite 800 more relays choosing
I know. Even the people I have offered the free use of my relay to, usually refuse to use it. There could be hundreds of people on there, but there aren't. They're all on Primal, LOL, or Damus.
A relay for all who like to visit the forest. - liked and subscribed
Nostr offers people endless options, but most people want the same thing, so they will get that. What Nostr also offers -- and this is the beautiful part -- is that people like us can choose if we also want to limit ourselves to that same thing, if we want to do our own thing, or both.
Actually, you only have the choice if you are tech savvy... I'm not 😅🤷🏽♀️
We need less-tech-savvy people, too! Who else is going to tell devs that their interface makes no sense?
I think you're on some private relays like theforest and ok0. 🤔 Check the list in your client.
I recall trying to sign up to the forest and getting a bunch of error messages. Ok0 is something that someone else signed me up to I believe... By which I mean someone once asked me if I want one of those identifyer things and I said, "sure"
I also once managed to figure out how to use that site you sent me which shoudl fix how stuff appears? 😊🤣 That took me way too log to do and I don't ever know if it worked 😅 I don't know what hat you me a by "check the list in your client" although I spose I could fumble around for a bit trying to figure it out.
Found the list! I'm on the forest, can't see okO
You could probably add ok0, since you have your NIP-05 (mouse@ok0.org) from there.
Challenge accepted 🫡
He doesn't seem to have AUTH setup, so you can probably at least read from there.
I don't actually know what the relays name is. Kept getting errors. That's why I went back and checked and the forest although appearing in my list is still showing errors. Every time I think I'm getting somewhere I find out I'm not. 😤
I'm on Amethyst, and my relays are giving lots of errors. Just not all at the same time! The forest is about the only one not erroring right now :)
Any requirement for relays and/or clients to moderate posts and content beyond the minimum of what is required by their local jurisdiction means nostr as a whole has failed.
Because they don't understand how Nostr works or what it is. They think it's just a new Twitter with some centralized authority picking favorites, so they are appealing to the Nostr CEO.
Its not "New Twitter", but if one dev I know got his way... On SSB, everyone is a relay. People complain about NAT, but Tor fixes that. SSB was an even harder protocol to attempt to centralise than Nostr. But he tried and tried. Wish he'd keep to his little Fediverse dictatorship, folks like this sort of thing there...
Yeah haven't a clue how it works really, but hey, you know. . . Shit sounds creepy and wierd, watchagonnado? Ask questions and stuff, try and figure it out a little. Not everyone is going to read all the nostr whitepapers and know all the nuts and bolts, but most of us care about it nonetheless. Many came here to escape censorship, and so we're emotionally sensitive to things that sound censorshippy frankly.
