Oddbean

Ross is a political prisoner and Bitcoiners set their terms for a temporary alliance with Trump. Sure Trump may back out of a promise he's reiterated no less than half a dozen times, but you work on your jailbreak plan on the side and we'll see which one works out first.

Of course, which is exactly why the above is the only thing that would matter. I’m not simping for anyone, literally every other policy and promise and bullshit spawn of both candidates is completely worthless or just flat out awful. I’ve said as such an endless number of times. Which I would be why this is the ONLY item in the entire list that has any direct and measurable effect whatsoever. All the rest is the same game it’s always been.

Politicians make promises to get elected. They don't make promises to keep them. The only political capital to be gained by actually freeing Ross is among you and I, a tiny group of liberty-focused people. But actually freeing him opens DJT up to a massive attack by law and order oriented demographics which is orders of magnitude larger than ours. So it requires a principals-oriented candidate to actually do what you're talking about, which DJT is absolutely not.

You're ignoring the part where Trump says he would make himself dictator. I'm not willing to risk that just for the sake of one man. That's a strange type of logic for me. Better to put pressure on Harris and embarrass her. She needs people to like her. And honestly, the only people who see Trump and Harris as the same are people who've already figured out that they won't be affected by either of their policies. So it's okay for them to focus on a single issue.

You cannot seriously believe the whole "im gonna be a dictator" nonsense. Like seriously, I don't believe you fell for that, you MUST be smarter than that. He was literally being sarcastic about how the MSM has done nothing but call his Hitler and a dictator for 8 years. In other words, he was literally picking on how retarded and dishonest the MSM is... which was hilariously confirmed by the fact that the left repeats his joke every single day. It's like an idiot badge for the news. Trump is a moron but it makes us look even dumber when we believe the utter bullshit that comes out of literal campaign ads.

I dont' believe it, I simply think its more likely than 0%, which every other path and option is obviously 0%. I at least hope you admit (if only to yourself) that the dictator thing is total bullshit and also exactly why he has such great support. Because the media lies so heavily that it makes people defend him (something that even i have to do because the left is so insane). ------- Sure we can agree to disagree, but i don't know what we are disagreeing on unless it's that you don't care about Ross, as it's literally the single issue I posted about with the explicit exclusion of all other issues.

I appreciate your enlightened take, but believe what exactly? That Trump will free him (that I don’t actually know, but I do know Kamala won’t, it’s about the possibility), or are you suggesting voting on one issue like this is stupid, or are you claiming that Ross shouldn’t be free? Lots of possibilities here and I’d love to find out which one makes me an idiot.

Doesn’t matter whether he cares. It’s whether he will be embarrassed or look cowardly for not doing it. At this point he has positioned himself strongly enough that I think he will do it purely to protect his ego. It makes him look like a fool if he doesn’t. If you think the possibility is zero, then I think you just have political blinders on same as anyone stuck in the left/right game. A very rudimentary look at how he behaves and how much he cares about his image suggests otherwise.

It affects his image basically zero if a tiny group of people feel like he's been disingenuous. There's a strange cognitive dissonance that happens. Look at his shit-coining. He can talk to Bitcoiners and because he says, I will do this thing, everybody applauds and supports him. And on the backside, he's shitcoins. And everybody says, oh well, it can't be helped and excuses him. The moral of the story is, once they have your vote, it is extremely difficult to say, oh, I made a mistake and speak out loudly against the person that you've already supported.

Also what does my vote get him that he doesn’t get already, you’ve also made the mistake of thinking I gave anything of consequence. Your last paragraph is directly contradictory to the rest of your position. My vote won’t make any difference to the broader direction of the country or growth of the state. Which is literally the entire context of my original point.

I don't really get out of its contradictory to anything. I'm not talking about MY vote because I'm not fucking voting for these assholes. Pretty sure it's *your position that's contradictory by saying that it's worth voting for this one issue, but it actually doesn't matter at all because it's already rigged anyway. Whereas I'm just observing that socially people have problems not supporting a candidate that they've already voted for. Which is why they make promises that they have absolutely no intention on carrying through. To get certain demographics on board.

You are literally saying that I’m losing something and “can’t take it back” if I give my vote. Who cares if it’s meaningless anyway? I don’t care about any of it, it’s pure noise and mountains of lies. But in this case there is a single direct item that could occur, easy to verify, and that he has repeated on many occasions and continues to reinforce. There’s a small chance it could occur. I literally care about nothing else and bringing any of it up is irrelevant

I believe Ross' chance at freedom is greater than 0% if Trump wins. If Trump loses, Ross' chance remains 0% with Kamala. Good enough for me to vote. It's a rigged, bs system, but it's the absolute least I can do. PS: you're calling his mother an idiot. She knows it's not a guarantee, but she believes Trump will free her son.