Oddbean

I’m reading it like it’s the law. I’m not reading it like it shouldn’t be this way but it is. I’m reading it like this is the law. They knew it was the law. I’m not a judge. I guess we’ll find out how they interpret it but if this was just code, that’s one thing but that’s not what this is. You are marketing a service to la money you seriously don’t see that?

Again, you are pearl clutching over a jpg or two of what the DOJ (rather dogily) calls "marketing materials" obviously you are happy to take their word for it and buy their line that these jpgs and their mention of "illicit" and "restricted" markets constitute "marketing their service to launder money" without any further context. Sad.

I’m not Pearl clutching over anything I think you’re clutching a bit you’re not even open to the idea that maybe some of this isn’t gonna go over well in court. Will find out if they make a deal. And nothing dodgy about marketing materials that actually express what you do what services you offer and what you charge that is exactly the definition of marketing materials. I own my own business and when I put together things they have a description and a price what I can do for them and I offer. Maybe I’m doing that wrong and I just found out right now thanks to you and the DOJ.

Nobody knows and we can only argue about what is known. If this is all the DOJ has got then i think a lot will come down to if/how these jpgs were presented to investors. If they were just files on someone's computer, their case probably goes nowhere. if they have more in this vein, it will not go well for Samourai. But the point is, you're taking THEIR word for it at this time.

Yes, and so will a jury. The point you’re missing is my opinion doesn’t matter neither is yours whether you like it or not they will present their evidence and this is just what they used to get a warrant. They don’t lay out an entire case in an indictment. but again do your research on that and stop fighting with me you’re not making any sense

I don’t want this for them i’m looking at it as if I were a juror in a federal case and how many jurors do you think even understand Bitcoin but they sure know what money laundering is. None of this is good for them whether we like it or not I’m just being realistic. I think it’s possible if it turns out better than I’ll be thrilled and I will be happy to celebrate right now. It doesn’t look good.

They don’t care if I take their word for it or not, and they don’t care if you do either or anyone else we don’t have any control and believe it or not there are laws and things they follow when they prosecute things like this if there’s enough money in it for them or a lesson to be learned, they’re gonna do it. my original point was they could’ve done better and if they had tried harder not to thumb their nose or be so cocky or market there Black and grace transaction services would’ve been way easier to back them up

...... not sure that long, unpuctuated run-on paragraph actually makes a point that relates to we were talking about. yes indeed, they will stretch the law to try and incriminate the people they want to put away. that why we contribute to their legal defense. but I was pointing out that you are taking the DOJs word re "marketing materials" and already imagining a pitch deck to Russian oligarch investors and DNM operators. which is no doubt exactly the point of them releasing this material without any context. what I mean is, they DONT say that in the indictment. that is YOUR imagination.

Dude, your commenting on my run-on sentence. I’m using voice just fuck off. I mean it’s so stupid. You’re so wrapped up in anything but what you’re actually supposed to be talking about let me I’m gonna just ramble on here with no punctuation for a while and I hope this makes your brain feel betterbecause I’m not even gonna bother to talk to someone who is this ridiculous bye

nobody is calling it "marketing material" except the DOJ. YOU ARE TAKING THEIR WORD THAT IS WHAT IT IS, THAT IT WAS USED IN THAT WAY AND ALREADY MAKING ALL KINDS OF ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT IT. It is a jpg on a website and we know nothing else about it. but for some reason you find the DOJ narrative very convincing and are already ready to convict them. (although constantly protesting you'd rather it was some other way) and yet claim to be logical and realistic. pretty weird honestly.

I showed it to you. It was on their website and it was on their Twitter account countless times. I’m not taking anyone’s word for it you have no idea what you’re saying you haven’t done any of your own research and the only thing you’re focused on is grammar and pearls and other dumb shit so don’t argue with me unless you really can

FYI, this is the indictment. It won’t have every bit of the evidence that is against them on it. it’s not a judgment. I’m not sure you understand that I don’t want it to turn out this way but they did nothing to help themselves. Have it turn out a different way and you’re grasping at straws.