Oddbean new post about login | logout Likes only have value to those will use them to sell you things and manipulate you. Use them if you want, but at least understand what you’re perpetuating by doing so. https://image.nostr.build/9b112136116f97b3e366a5f03c2568e35c9282862963fd58cf58e7fc1761b5b5.jpg
Is an emoticon a like?
You don’t know what a like/reactions is on social media?
There is a standard like, and then there is an emoticon. Do you actually think there's no difference between the two?
I don’t know what you’re referring to. Can you explain? I’m talking about the “like” button on posts on nostr social media clients.
I don't see a like button, I see an option menu of emojis. The social ad model is inevitable, zaps might help to frame it - but it's unavoidable.
That sounds a lot like a like button just with more options 🤣🤷♂️ Anyway, I sure hope that the ad model is not inevitable. I won’t be surprised to see it in some clients, but I hope it’s not unavoidable. Pretty depressing if that’s true.
I don't believe my brain receives a like the same way it does emojis, or even a myriad of emojis from one person. I think there's an important factor for our brains in there that allows for more nuance in response from your followers/community.
Okay so let me ask this. Should I just ignore something if I think it's cool but not zap worthy?
There are lots of ways to communicate. It’s not up to me to tell you how to do so. Use likes if you want. But understand what their purpose is. People who think it’s any different on nostr just haven’t looked closely enough.
Is anyone advocating that likes hold more value here? I missed that. It sounds retarded.
Their purpose is what we decide it is. Marketing can monitize any interaction. And our interactions are public. Comment, like, zap, it's all useable marketing data points. I understand fearing an adverisement takeover, but we also need to communicate. And any communication is a data point. Likes arent the problem, it's people's willingness to put up with ads. We all need to encourage everyone to shun and block ads, not attack various forms of communications because marketing agencies will use them for evil.
I use likes and reactions to gauge my audience's attention. I guess I will perpetuate an already established, understood, intuitive form of reading people's thoughts and feelings. Zaps? Only work if you have BTC that you are inclined to dispose of. What about people in third world countries, who don't zap out because Bitcoin happens to be extremely valuable?
Zaps are the way to go... I'll typically zap with reckless abandon as a way to say "I enjoyed that post"... AND (funny thing is) I never seem to run out of sats... 😃
My preference would be that zaps didn’t look like reactions/likes in the client UI. Zaps are an incredible new way of engaging with people and content online. I see their purpose and effect as different from likes, and so I think it’s a mistake to treat them similarly to likes in the UX. Just my take on it though when it comes to zaps.
How do you see them differing? I think a zap can be universal--used for all kinds of things (including indicating approval). Likes are essentially superfluous...
Zaps are money. Inserting the exchange of monetary value into social interactions online where they didn’t exist before, the way zaps are doing, is an interesting and exciting thing to witness and be part of. I think it opens a lot of possibilities but I also think it introduces some issues and dynamics we didn’t have to think about before. Money just changes people. How zaps are implemented is an important thing to consider and study and adapt with as time goes on.
I've felt this way for a while too. -Particularly because likes still exist in most clients. If we remove likes from nostr & basically force people to zap then it'll scare the noobs and sat-pinchers away though, so I'd say let's keep likes where they are and move zaps away from the reaction bar completely... Maybe to a drop-down menu or when clicking on the post...
I couldn't help noticing that nobody has zapped this post yet 👀
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Haha
I value posts that have been proof-read.
I proof read everything, only problem is I’m an idiot.
I'm just giving Corndalorian shit for not proof-reading when complaining. There's not much value in sloppy communication.
No worries, I just know how bad I am for missing typos, even when I proof read. A lot of times I really wish there was an edit button on here.
Nah, let my mistakes be known!
*proofread
In your opinion, do you think that advertisers are already looking at likes on nostr?
At least some companies building on Nostr are already considering how users can be monetized, and I recall at least one mentioning introducing advertising at some point (Plebstr team). Whether and how to use user data such as likes to determine user behavior and preferences and whether and how to incorporate advertising is inevitable for any company as they grow. Any user data can be used to feed algos, etc, but my issue with likes specifically is the lack of cost to produce them and therefore their real value is as mechanism to inform companies/advertisers, not to provide meaningful interactions between users.
That makes sense. Mechanism to inform companies as oppposed to something to interact between users
💯 If the question is what is their value/purpose, then that’s how I see it.
But doesn't it also provide value to the creator? Though, I suppose comments could do that just as well. But then they just use that data instead. Not sure what the solution is, but I like to acknowledge people sometimes when I have nothing meaningful to contribute.
No. Likes provide no value to a creator unless those likes are part of a system that translates to ad revenue sharing.
I’ve both liked, replied and zapped this note. Where do I stand? 😅
I think you won the nostr 😂 https://media1.tenor.com/m/QwyDTN_0AfAAAAAC/the-goon-win.gif
It provides a metric of their opinions. Or do you mean this in a sense where advertising is already the status quo? What are we worried about on nostr? Relays being ad supported? I consider any communication with what I write some amount of value. Even if it isn't monetary.
“A metric of their opinions” to what end? Does that give you some kind of emotional validation of your worth as a creator? And yes, you ought to be concerned about relays and clients becoming ad supported, because advertisers wield a lot of influence. When clients or relays become ad supported, you (the end user) are no longer their customer. The advertisers are now their customers, and that will greatly impact their decisions.
I'm in favor of likes. I just wish we had dislikes too.
I'm not following this logic that likes **only** have value to people who are selling and manipulating.
I'm sorry, this is hogwash. Zaps are no better at resisting salespeople and manipulators. Zaps are public information that will be used in the exact same way as likes. Zaps are effectively a super-like.
The only way your sentiment makes sense is if Zaps where private, which they are not.
