Oddbean

Anyone commenting here who is sure vaccines are fine, please read this, especially if you are considering vaccinating kids. https://www.amazon.com/Turtles-All-Way-Down-Vaccine/dp/9655981045 TL;DR virtually all vaccines are only tested for safety by comparison with other vaccines, which themselves may have adverse events, rather than against a placebo which does not. This obscures any general side effects of vaccines. The control vaccines themselves are either tested against other vaccines (hence the title), or date from a time before clinical trials. And anyone who thinks pharma and the medical establishment can be trusted, please google opioid crisis, maddie de garay, vioxx for starters.

Seconded! Eye opener. I only read it after around 2500 papers on Covid and vax and stuff and started noticing quite how many used fraudulent trial design and fraudulent statistical methods. I stopped reading journals. It’s sad. Science has been totally co-opted. Maybe another avenue nostr needed for. Bring some ethics back to science transparently. It’s become a nightmare world of fiat corruption. We will go backwards without change

I get the concern, but the book you’re mentioning isn’t exactly credible—it’s known for pushing anti-vaccine myths. Here’s the reality: Vaccines go through strict testing, including trials with placebos, to make sure they’re safe and effective. The idea that they’re only tested against other vaccines is just not true. About your examples: 1. Opioid crisis: Yep, Big Pharma has screwed up, but that doesn’t change the massive amount of solid research proving vaccine safety. 2. Maddie de Garay: Her case has been looked into, and there’s no clear evidence tying her condition to the vaccine. 3. Vioxx: Definitely a scandal, but unrelated to vaccines, which are among the most thoroughly tested medical products out there. If you’re worried about vaccinating your kids, talk to a healthcare professional and check out the overwhelming evidence showing vaccines save lives and prevent diseases.

"it’s known for pushing anti-vaccine myths" - just saying somethings a myth doesn't make it a myth. It's a fact that most vaccines on the childhood schedule are not tested against placebo. 1. The medical establishment and pharma constructed a deception based around the supposed fact that opioids were not addictive. There was zero evidence for this. And of course they are addictive, but they were pushed on millions who are now wrecked junkies because they believed their docs. Far from "screwing up" this was a massive success for pharma and everyone associated, who made billions. 2. Her case hasn't "been looked into", nobody would talk to the family about it - they tried to say she was crazy. The trial she was in IS the evidence associating adverse events with the vaccine. But they simply ignored her.