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Duvel | 2 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 Surveillance has got nothing to do with Bitcoin. It's everything outside the Bitcoin network that can take part in this.
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chucklangstrumpf | 2 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +3 
 Sure, a fully transparent ledger with no privacy has nothing to do with surveillance.
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paranoia machinery | 2 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +2 
 It's these kinds of idiotic responses they continually try to convince people with that let's me know Bitcoin has failed. If they are unwilling to admit the complete lack of privacy enables surveillance then it can't succeed. If they can't admit Bitcoin 6 months ago with Samourai is very different than our present situation of completely cucked Bitcoin with no functioning privacy solution, and the laughable band-aid of stealth payments, then they have already lost.