Oddbean new post about login | logout We might loose 60% of our right-leaning user base, but we will display pronouns for users that add them to their profile. We are here to serve users and if users want, even if it is a minority right now, they will have it. https://github.com/vitorpamplona/amethyst/commit/4a80a16473f6a0357a367e40836089c16ff463f3
This is the way
Options. Options are good.
Options are only good if they are sufficiently useful because they make the protocol more complex. There are infinitely many options that you could potentially add. The job of developing a standard is one of exclusion as much of inclusion, it's to carefully select what should be part of the protocol and what shouldn't.
Getting into politics during @primal 2.0 launch, gg
Gotta distract them from the big thing! 😂
Just add it. It’s a stupid fight.
Yup
"StackSats" pronoun is the new "Ze"
I identify as a cow. My pronouns are moo/MOO.
Moo moo, buckaroo.
I'm staying, I can just block all 6 of them if they bother me.
I dont mind. I'm an intergalactic space entity without a corporeal form.
In my opinion, you're proliferating the bullshit with implementing this since there is nothing from stopping people adding them to their bio. But, it's your app so do what you must. I'll keep using it.
I demand a field on every profile to signal support for a side in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict
You will be able to. We are adopting flexible custom fields that people can add whatever they want. From this https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/pull/1593
This is honestly the best possible outcome. Love this NIP.
This will be a great addition
It's called a flag emoji
I don't understand why it would be an issue? I think pronouns are stupid and nothing more than virtue signaling to other liberals, but I really couldn't care if there was a profile spot for those who want to use it.
No issue with this. Your profile is your profile. I just ain't saying that shit ever.
I guess that's fine... as long as we don't get limited/banned for not using them correctly in our notes nostr:nevent1qqsgk5dumdusaguse7qhnusy9d6gk50hhxxcj4sh9rpskuvuxr7cu2qpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7q3qgcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqxpqqqqqqzpp66v8
Can we use anything for pronouns? Like. Stack/Sats? If so. I'm into it.
Yep.
the proposal for arbitrary custom profile fields is better than this. it's neutral and if people want to use it for pronouns or XMPP accounts or anything else, it's nobody's business. just do it like pleroma.
We are adding that one as well.
Just add a "favorite gun" field and you'll win them back?
Oohhh nice! New NIP? 😳 Can I still use the 🤡?
Aren't those users already on Blue Sky?
We are stealing them.
Are you prepared for the onslaught of complaints? Karen's coming for the manager... isn't that you?
People complain no matter what I do, so.. bring them on...
the happy customers are the silent majority 😎
job is to listen to users. we should want all people using Nostr even those we don’t align with, just don’t follow them or mute them.
How about we also add locations to the bathrooms that aren’t banned? 😉
This is the beauty of NOSTR. Everyone can build on top of it they way they want to. That being said, I don't see myself using any other client in the medium term. Primal is just too lit 🙌 nostr:note13dgmekmep63epnup08eqg2m53dgl0wvd39tpw2xrpdcecv8a3c5qsrpezw
I think this is fine. The more users the merrier! If it makes people feel more comfortable and want to engage, so be it. nostr:note13dgmekmep63epnup08eqg2m53dgl0wvd39tpw2xrpdcecv8a3c5qsrpezw
Genuinely curious, is this something users wanted? The public narrative is it was pushed by a single dev, but it’s hard for a pleb to know what’s true
Who's asked for pronouns? 🤣
Frankly... Lots of people. I have been hearing about it since last year. It has been a low-priority feature for us for a while.
It's a nonfunctional field without standardized input. Adds complexity without improving performance. Should just be part of the freetext.
It could be. I am waiting for nostr:nprofile1qqs8d3c64cayj8canmky0jap0c3fekjpzwsthdhx4cthd4my8c5u47spzfmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ucpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq3vamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwdehhxtnnda3kjctvll3q2p to choose hardcoded or free field.
Actual gender would be interesting, for #datestr 😂
Can't wait for the remaining 40% right leaning user base to abuse this features and showcase how ridiculous pronouns really are. nostr:nevent1qqsgk5dumdusaguse7qhnusy9d6gk50hhxxcj4sh9rpskuvuxr7cu2qpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsygzxpsj7dqha57pjk5k37gkn6g4nzakewtmqmnwryyhd3jfwlpgxtspsgqqqqqqs4p7ghj
Can you show my favorite animal also on my profile?
Also, my preferred pizza sauce?
Yes, we are also coding this: https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/pull/1593
get fucked
Why are they triggered because of other’s choices? WTF happened to live and let live
Frankly a lot of folks love to tell how other people should live.
Right-leaning, left-leaning, i'm more of a fourth dimension kinda guy so your 3d boxes won't contain me.
You do you, boo.
I don’t care what somebody’s pronouns are and it’s just extra useless information on the screen that I don’t care to see. If a minority of users wanted and got pronouns support, can some (maybe minor, maybe not) amount of us get the ability to turn off the display of pronouns in app settings?
No one will leave or join because of the pronouns nip. It's so way past the wave. It's like selling black lives matter posters for your window now. The left and right don't even discuss it, it's beyond tired, it's a non issue. It's probably a bad sign that any dev thinks this is relevant to anyone.
Of course not. But if pronouns are not available, the door will always be closed to those that need it.
I wonder if we need a feed for everything one might want to add. Because people add a lot of info to, for example, their Twitter bio. What needs to be a specific field and what is to remain just text? What about academic titles? Many people include those. What about sexual orientation. Many people include it. What about disabilities? Many people include those as well. I'm not making any judgment about those who include any of these kinds of information, of course. But why is it that preferred "pronouns" (in quotes because, often, possessive adjectives are also included) in the English language (or, I suppose, some other language in which it can possibly sense) deserve a specific field or, as you say, some people "need" it, but there isn't a specific field for other things many would want to include? Obviously there can't be a field for everything, so what is worthy of one?
not directly probably, i don't care much about the profile field, but i think the discussion was good it is somewhat reassuring to also see many people in favor it already feels a bit more inclusive here
I honestly just suspect it was a nip-as-conversation piece lol Which I'm sort of in favour of lolol (as long as it's not a price of bitcoin nip 😮💨)
yes, it must be though yeah, i recently talked with two trans women who left nostr, and it was most certainly not because of lack of a pronoun field but a combination of lack of community and lots of haters and trolls; the first could potentially be solved i'm basically built out of razorwire and broken glass, and can survive here, but i definitely realize this isn't for everyone
Vitor, How many people actually asked you directly for this?
About 20 or so, between emails, DMs and other comments.
No notifications or feeds yet. Prioritizes pronouns. Holy fucking shit. 🤦
It does have feeds. In the dvms section of note discovery.
Where's that?
The little icon 2nd from the right. No idea what the icon means
Ohhh the little live radio looking thing. Took me 2hr, finally found it.
You won't loose much of your user base if you allow "attack/helicopter" as an acceptable value for the field. That said, whenever I see this kind of "feature" added, I wonder if the authors (and I just wonder, I'm not saying they don't) are taking into account that it doesn't work in every language. English is a gender neutral language, for the most part, except for pronouns, possessive adjectives and a few other words. Italian, for example, however, is very much not gender neutral and grammatical gender is conveyed even when no pronouns is used (and it's easier than it is in English to write sentences that don't use any pronoun). This really is about grammatical gender, not pronouns (even in English there are gendered words other than pronouns). Neopronouns simply do not work in some languages. They do not work in Italian because other words are still gendered, so you would refer to a person with either masculine or feminine words even if you were to introduce neopronouns.
thats pretty gay
