I apologise for my overly strong, negative notes as well.

I have nothing to disagree with on what you just said. Let me restate clearly what my issues are:

1. If you are going to share your Nostr service in a non-Nostr place you need to anticipate user needs. They need signposting on how to onboard.

2. Using phrases like “normies” (even if your definition is valid) is not helpful. It fosters an “us vs them” attitude that is not welcoming to those that join. 

I see and appreciate all that you’ve done for the Nostr community in the past. I’m sorry that I’ve been rude, I have my stances and you have yours but we also have common ground. I hope we can discuss and grow in better faith. 

 That is amenable to me. 

We can certainly disagree on the use of labels, and I can even try to not use them in threads with you. Hell I’ll even give some thought to my own use of it. 

HN’s criticism was never my issue. Much of it is correct. My issue is why we keep putting this stuff online as a viable alternative to other services, when it is absolutely not viable for most people at this point. It feels like we are lying to ourselves and doing them a disservice. Nostr is not friendly to the non-freedom/technical minded. A motive is needed, and we don’t provide the value prop they are seeking *yet*.  

Because they aren’t seeking the right ones *yet*. 

Hope that clarifies. 

 I’m not trying to be the phrase police, certainly use it if you feel it’s appropriate. I was expressing frustration at the term.

I absolutely agree with what you’re saying about carbon copying services. This is an opportunity to break the mould and change how things are done online.