Oddbean

gossip and outbox are not the same nip-65 is about saying "i post to this place, i read from this place" gossip says "try everything" idk how long you have been a programmer but that is n00b talk

I mean, if we're going to play that game, gossip means peer-to-peer propagation of content through a distributed system. Gossip is a misnomer, but in nostr land gossip is a historical term referring to NIP 65.

no, gossip means spreading the message before you validate it, to be STRICTLY CORRECT that's what "promiscuous" means in distributed systems nomenclature there is such a world of difference between "outbox" and "gossip" how in the fuck did anyone inside think anyone outside is gonna realise you loonies mean those to be synonyms? seriously i've been a cypherpunk since the early days, i just was locked out of the internet because i was stuck in australia, and i studied and tried what i could the clear difference between a post office protocol model and a fucking gossip protocol are obvious to anyone who has been in this game since the 00s but you kids don't get the difference i forgive you but fuck you also

just do a bit more reading of theory please in 1995 i was hanging out with a guy who worked for the DSTC at UQ in brisbane... mostly he talked about the great new thing "java" but i had some small idea that his business was related to computer networks, and the most i had experienced at that point was dialup BBS, usually using taps into junction boxes because the telco monopoly in australia charged so much to use dialup internet that you had to be pretty much rich af to even use the internet my first time having an internet connection, where i set up my account on dmt-world.com was over a dialup connection that i had fraudulently acquired, while living in a house next door to a heroin addict and down the hal a meth addict and across the hall was a psychotic drunk guy, and i pieced that pc together while i was living in canberra, working for the government, rented an apartment with a government aircraft safety manager and then started working as a freelance tech man, it's such a long story, but i feel like i'm almost dead at this point and in a playground with a bunch of children

i may not look it but yes i'm old af... gonna be 48 real soon and so deranged that i spent most of my last 20 years thinking about network security and the last 8 years deeply tangled in consensus algorithms, even though i was homeless, trying to figure out a way to make a living out of it yes we are gonna figure something out but the whole nostr dev community is suffering from too much funding and too little business discipline

gossip was the wrong name for the model from the start, it just inherited the name from the client that first implemented it, but it has nothing to do with gossiping, it just happens to be the same word

i've used gossip it does not let you control who you request events from nor who you post them to it was so unpleasant to use, as a relay dev, that i refuse to touch that shit again, and i have all my rust tooling here ready to build it, i'm not fucking doing it again, it doesn't work, it won't even fucking buzz my relay no matter how hard i try, and i have it on a fucking reverse proxy wireguard connection with a domain name, what FUCKING more do you want? which is why i hate mike, even though i don't really hate mike that much. but i hate him, fuck you