Oddbean

If a tree falls in a forest, does it really make a sound? If beans are spilled in a suburban loungeroom, is a conspiracy really revealed to the world? "Fake Moon Landing" and "Fake Climate Change" are implausible because they are so high-profile, public and trans-national, and "Chemtrails" because burning jet fuel in air is so violently destructive of chemistry. None of those are implausible purely on the scale required. - Katyn Forest was real. - Treblinka was real. - Nuclear Winter was not real. - Eating carrots does not help you see at night (but it was a good cover for the deployment of radar).

Even climate change is an interesting one. While I don’t completely deny that it is a real thing, I think there are still certain aspects that aren’t as well understood as they could be, and there are a lot of deliberately alarmist predictions that won’t come true but make for good stories for the media to publish. Also I think some of the government policies supposedly for “climate change” are in part being driven by other agendas as well.

Of course, but some sort of media is where most people get their information from. So you either end up with people following the mainstream narrative and thinking we are all going to die by 2030 if they don’t go out now and buy an electric car or those who have seen something on alternative media or an influencer on X and they think it is all a hoax and we need to burn more coal for cheaper power. There is very little balanced discussion about it and most people aren’t going to go back to read scientific publications, consider new information and think logically..

Well, Devil's Advocate, but I know a conspiracy that involved over 700 people that I've never read a word published about in the five decades since it happened. On the second day of the Battle of Coral-Balmoral, 1 RAR mutinied and threatened to kill its Commanding Officer. The resulting stand-off lasted an hour, and ended with the CO surrendering the desperately-scarce barbed wire he'd ordered used to defend the LZ he'd planned to escape via, so that the troops could instead use it to reinforce the perimeter. He also agreed to leave Vietnam and let his 2IC take over, which he duly did. Army being Army, that guy then received a promotion, a medal, and a coveted do-nothing posting to Sandhurst on exchange. But he never again commanded troops in the field. Nobody was punished for the mutiny, not even the junior officers who'd instigated it. One of them eventually became deputy Prime Minister for a time. Nobody talked to the press. Nobody bragged in public. A (now deceased) family member used to talk about it to teenage me, but only when he was too drunk to get out of his chair. Conspiracies happen. And large groups of people /can/ keep a secret if nobody is trying too hard to uncover it.

it wasnt but since you're clueless let me just tell you that governments aren't just one thing, they are composed of many subgroups and it's perfectly possible to see the who as incompetent while a small group inside capable of a conspiracy

To be fair, they are done sloppily enough that conspiracy theorists can piece together the lie. Some of the things we know are true would be much better covered up by a private actor. Imagine all the things corps get away with that we never find out about. We don't know all the conspiracies that they executed and hid competently.

You and alot of people make the mistake of believing disasters within a government is unavoidable. They plot their schemes and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't which in retrospect is obvious why it didn't work. The schemes are always a power grab of some sort they will get away with what they can.