Oddbean

Dereck you can’t possibly believe there was nothing fraudulent from the D’s in the 2020 election. You are much smarter than that. Answer me this. If in one of the most critical counties in the most critical states, the losing Republican candidate was suddenly getting a last minute surge of votes, and the Dem validators were shoved out of the room, the door was locked, and ONLY the republican checkers were in the room, and the Republican candidate ended up winning with a landslide of last minute votes. The when the Dems contested it, after literal physical altercations with police trying to get in the room to do the ONE job that is required for them to do. Then it goes to court and instead of getting verification and a simple count, it’s declared “legitimate” because they could see through the window 40 feet away that the vote was being tallied by a room full of Republicans… Tell me you don’t have a problem with that scenario and that you would just trust them. I cannot believe you are that dense because I have too much respect for you

I think that Democrats skewing towards mail-in at the time gives this credibility, but I think there were too many anomalies to dismiss the entire thing. It doesn't look right to me. It goes both ways though. In 2016, it was the other side calling fraud. I say this as an outsider who isn't a fan of Trump outside of entertainment value. One thing I will never understand is the persistence against voter ID, which would theoretically protect everyone involved.

Yup, holiday would be a step in the right direction too. Unfortunately I have lost all faith in voting due to lack of real change between parties. No matter who is in, things have been trending down for all people, except those in government.

The neocons in the Republican Party rigged the Florida count in 2000, and the neocons in then Democratic Party rigged the Pennsylvania vote count in 2020. The only reason why you can't come to terms with that reality is this irrational identification with a party label.

We don't really know. It's so extremely rare. For example in my state, Pennsylvania, 39 cases of voter fraud were identified or 0.000039% of the more than 100+ million ballots cast over the last 30 years.

I think you will always "find" what youre looking for if you look hard enough. And i think voting machines are garbage. Combine those things and you have people who have been told "they're going to cheat to win the election", "finding" ways that they're being cheated via garbage voting machines. And social media adds gas to the fire.