@verita84 

Trump seems to be more liked by people in israel based on my expiernce living there.

That said, both of them seem pretty eager to support israel's genocide. So that rules out both of them in my book. The worst thing we coukd do fornisraelnis to let them commit a genocide within theirnown borders. 

 @verita84 

Lol, i see what your saying

Id argue the best we got is literally any of the people on the ballot other than them 

 @verita84 

I wouldnt go that far. He isnt senile, he is however just good old fashioned moron. 

 @ ohhh yea, that would do it :) 

 @ 

Cant help with that, if i try running kotlin i get totally different errors, so clearly kotlin isnt ready for prime time. 

 @ 

So i jsut tried it, changed nothing, not even the quotes, and it worked fine for me. try the groovy version not the kotlin one thts the standard way 

 @ I actually havent worked with gradle in a few years. I usually use maven myself. Whats broken, I can try to help. 

 @Sexypink 

No I dont think that at all... You dont have to be if thats the life you want. Just dont expect much luxury is all. 

 @realcaseyrollins ✝️ 

We have trollies here. There are usually many paths of tracks. If a trolled gets stuck they can just by pass it by going down the next street... basically most roads have tracks embedded in them so they have almost as much freedom to divert as a car.

That said im not sure what advantage they are getting other than the cost of tires maybe

@ 

 @realcaseyrollins ✝️ 

> Surprising take TBH. Countries who win wars aren’t allowed to conquer the land? The #UN didn’t take any land from #Egypt? 🤔

The UN isnt a country, what are you on about they dont own **any** land.

> The #Israel vs. #Palestine war is the first time I’ve ever heard people say “no fair, you stole our land after we lost a war with you”. Like, I’m a lil surprised at what people think war is exactly.

What? What modern war do you know of where land was taken and people were ok with it? 

Russia annexing georgia and people lost their shit.

Russia trying to annex Ukrain, people are upset.

WWII Germany kept 100% of their territory

Iraq war, Afghan war, 100% of territory kept by loosing sides.

Honestly what war can you even think of where someone took land fromt he other side **permanently** and people didnt loose their shit? I cant think of a single one. 

 @ToxicFemininity 

Huh, I said the exact opposite of what your saying I said... I was saying it makes no sense to go back 3k years...

@realcaseyrollins ✝️ 

 @realcaseyrollins ✝️ 

> I’m pretty sure that I’ve condemned what #Israel has done before, as I have never been a fan of their government. I’m not familiar with how they’ve treated the people of #Palestine in general, but I do know that they’re heavy-handed and decreasing democracy within the country, are authoritarian and to my knowledge oppress #LGBT people to some extent as well.

This sounds like far more of a "downplay" than the post you said.. when the Israelis are using small children as human shields during attacks, and this and countless war crimes were official filed with the internation court, which they have refused to show for... then yea thats as much of a downplay as the description you just gave..

I get that its because, as you said, you havent read up on it.. but willful ignorance is as much of a bias as anything else. And Mia may just be as willfully ignorant as you as the other side.

Both of you, as people with bias, seem to be demonstrating that bias against the sides in equal yet opposite ways.

> While I haven’t condemned much of what they’ve done following #Hamas’ attack against them, as I can understand why they’d do it

Sure but then one can argue why were you condeming them right up until the hamas attack?  Like they were commiting war crimes right uo until the hamas cranked it up to 11, and no one was saying anything... While it doesnt excuse the hamas the fact is when you commit war crimes and genocide on a people for 80 years you should expect them to become increasingly radicalized.

The hamas in all their brutality are the result of Israel in all its brutality, and vice versa, israel's brutality is the result of the hamas.. The only difference is that the palestinians lived there for 3000 years ... so ther eis that. 

 @8a5e3b79 If that is all the evidence they have I would dismiss it outright... sadly most people arent so critical. As with most things the people who find it agrees with their assumptions they will sell it as fact. and vice versa... here we go again. 

 @7658029e One is a sheen ink by kiwi, they make custom inks, I love them. theother is by inkverse also a greatoption! 

 @bf6ba08b 

Thats not what you did, you didnt even admit Biden was racist, let alone "in varying degree"... you tried to defend it with excuses and dismissing it as not racist calling it a "one off gaff" .. how something that lasts 10 years is a one off gaff is mind boggling.

@9c92a582 @de8e207b 

 I literally have the original 1980's official congress transcript posted on my TL from discussing this already... It very clearly shows the quote is valid, real, and in context. 

 @bf6ba08b 

HAHAHA "Spending 10 years keeping blacks our of white schools and **explicitly(( stating your doing it cause you dont want your white kids among other races, thats just a one time decontextualized gaffe".... hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

God the mental gymnastics you will go through to defend racist politicians its amazing. I mean its not a "one time" its literally consistent over decades but ok....

@9c92a582 @de8e207b 

 @bf6ba08b 

I was alive during bussing... allowing black kids to choose if they want to go to a white school rather than force them to segregate is the choice... Sure invest in their schools too.. then the kids wont **opt** to bus to the white schools...

But yes it was racist, he made it clear his entire goal to oppose bussing was to keep his kids out of a "racial jungle".. excuse it all you want but he explicitly stated he was doing it for racist reasons and to keep his kids away from mixed race populations....

Kinda disgusting that knowing his motivations (and I showed you the quote) you would even defend this... thats some racist BS right there coming out of you.

@9c92a582 @de8e207b 

 @bf6ba08b 

I have already address this here: https://qoto.org/@freemo/111188486425486051

@9c92a582 @de8e207b 

 @bf6ba08b 

> There's a massive difference between unconscious bias, unintentional casual racism and overt intentional in-your-face racism.

There sure is, but you missed an important classification "covert intentional but significant racism"

> Joe Biden didn't refuse to rent to blacks.

No he did far worse, he spent the first part of his career trying to keep segregation alive, it was his primary goal for the better part of a decade at least... Id say trying to keep all blacks of the USA segregating is quite a bit worse than not renting to blacks.

That isnt to say him not renting to blacks is bad, its horribly racist. My point is, Joe can and has gone toe to toe with him on racism.

The only difference is Joe learned his overt racism wasnt working, so he went into stealth racism mode and instead of directly attacking the blacks and minorities now he exploits them for his own personal gains.

> Joe Biden doesn't deny the existence of systemic racism or think whites are the real victims.

Oh he definitely did.. By promoting to keep segregation alive in the 80s when he wasnt covert about his racism he very much was painting the whites as the victim... after all he claimed the reason he didnt want segregation is so his white children werent the victims of a "racial jungle"... yea sorry he played that card too 

@9c92a582 @de8e207b 

 @bf6ba08b  There’s a massive difference between unconscious bias, unintentional casual racism and overt intentional in-your-face racism.

There sure is, but you missed an important classification “covert intentional but significant racism”  Joe Biden didn’t refuse to rent to blacks.

No he did far worse, he spent the first part of his career trying to keep segregation alive, it was his primary goal for the better part of a decade at least… Id say trying to keep all blacks of the USA segregating is quite a bit worse than not renting to blacks.

That isnt to say him not renting to blacks is bad, its horribly racist. My point is, Joe can and has gone toe to toe with him on racism.

The only difference is Joe learned his overt racism wasnt working, so he went into stealth racism mode and instead of directly attacking the blacks and minorities now he exploits them for his own personal gains.  Joe Biden doesn’t deny the existence of systemic racism or think whites are the real victims.

Oh he definitely did.. By promoting to keep segregation alive in the 80s when he wasnt covert about his racism he very much was painting the whites as the victim… after all he claimed the reason he didnt want segregation is so his white children werent the victims of a “racial jungle”… yea sorry he played that card too

@9c92a582 @de8e207b 

 @62f94e11 

Yes your right i did mix those up.. while i was familiar witht he difference i do often mix them up accidentally due to the bad naming.

Yes I agree being against the two parties doesnt neccesarly make you centrist, only when other quotes are lacking it is suggestive of that.

Assuming the quotes on wikipedia can be verified (so far I havent been able to) then I agree his statements would be suggestive of a left lean.

My definition of centrist appears fine and normal, I just lacked some information about MLK. 

 @62f94e11

So first lets lead in with another quote showing his centrism:

“The Negro has been betrayed by both the Republican and the Democratic party. The Democrats have betrayed him by capitulating to the whims and caprices of the Southern Dixiecrats. The Republicans have betrayed him by capitulating to the blatant hypocrisy of reactionary right wing northern Republicans.” – MLK  I assume that means you disagree with MLK being a democratic socialist

You seem to misunderstand centrists.. They can and will pick views on one side of the fence or another.. gut they will not espouse it as an ideologically pure idea, they will try to temper it and bring it to a modified more central manifestation.

I am about as centrist as you get, but I have views on both sides of the spectrum, usually strongly, and always modifiy those views to address the nuance rather than use a sledge hammer, bringing them closer to the center. For example sure, I beleive in free guns, but i also beleive in tax paid resources, like giving everyone a free gun paid for by taxes… cant get more centrist than that! (I am half-joking of course)…

But to get back to MLK, yes he leaned more social-welfare capitalism (what we really mean when we say democratic socialism) than pure capitalism.  In fact he even made clear that while he liked the idea of social-welfare the pure system of socialism would need to be modified in some way in order to be of use to us. Here is the quote:

“If we are going to achieve a real equality, the U.S. will have to adopt a modified form of Socialism.” – MLK

So yea as always he leaned one way, but never to the ideaologically pure end of the spectrum where the extremes exist, he lives well within the moderates and close to the center.  The latter also contains quotes where he clearly states he at least mostly voted for Democrats (and he was even planning to endorse one, only a political assassination stopped him), and no indication whatsoever that he ever voted for a Republican

That sounds like a compelling argument. Sadly when i followed the cited sources so i could read and gather an opinion I couldnt find anything linked I could follow. More research needed. 

 @9c92a582 

You will have to be a bit more specific... we have two people, both extremely racist, one senile, the other just a regular old moron.... the list in ways they failed is quite long... for starters which one?

@de8e207b 

 @62f94e11 

> You could say the same about poverty

Sure poverty is fairly close to always bad (you can argue it gives character, but only if you actually get out of it at some point)..

So yes you shouldnt be "I am pro poverty I want more people to be poor!" (extreme left communism)... and you shouldnt be "I am anti poverty and I think 100% of people should be billionairs (extreme left to the point of pooling all the money and letting everyone else die).... 

Neither extreme is good, so again, we have centrism being best, where people want to eliminate the poor, but not the rich, but also accept that the middle glass should thrive. 

 @62f94e11 

Except not...  racism is a clear evil, it is bad in any quantity and when you facilitate others doing it through inaction it is virtually always wrong.

So yes being on the fence as to whther a minority is "equal enough" and going "thats an ok about of pain they deal with ill accept it".. is never acceptable. It is evil in all proportions.

So no,, we cant apply that to other things too often because most things are not as wholly evil as racism is. If the choice is between locking down the borders complete with no exception or having completely open boards (two radical non-moderate extremes on views)... you have something that is not wholly one sided evil... Either of those choices in their radical extreme can and will harm communities. Where moderate solutions may find actual long term workable solutions.

In fact, we find that outside of a few exceptioons most things have valid arguments on both sides where only a moderate could hope to reach a good balance effective solution that actually fixes the problems. 

 @19643ba2 

Wonderful, thank you. Please be sure to ping me if you or anyone in the thread needs anything I can help with.. I guess now that i have eyes on this I should get a contributors file together so those people who contributed work I snatched from get proper credit and all....

@6b118e7f @d84d4274 @e23d29a5 @29d67b21 

 @9996402d 

We do and i spent some time fixing it so should run pretty fast now I hope.

@0dd0f9c1 

 @19643ba2 

Well mine is 100% working.. you can follow a user, and you get the accept back.. it even sends the create push to followers when new articles come out, so you get it in your feed.

Check it out here: @6b118e7f

If anyone comments, stars, or reshares an article on the fedi it shows on the static website as comments on that site..

Basically all the core features you need are there and working. Feel free to use it

@d84d4274 @e23d29a5 @29d67b21 

 @62f94e11 

> Are you seriously suggesting that race was not a (if not the!) political issue then? o.0 Not to mention it still is now.

Literally anything and everything can and is a politicial issue, then and now... 

Science is a big political issue too with the right thinking the scientific community are liars and corrupt and with the left generally saying to follow the science as a mantra... Does that mean if someone calls me a "moderate scientist" that they are implying im politically moderate? Of course not

Racism was politicial, but calling a moderately racist white person as somehow meaning the same as a person with an overall political stance that is moderate is absolutely not the same.

MLK made it clear in two ways

1) he has never said or suggested he was talking about political moderates, on racist moderates 2) he has explicitly taken a centrist/moderate political opinon in what he has said and done time and time again. 

 @19643ba2 

I'm just a bit jaded. I've been here since the earlier days of the fedi, I run one of the older server instances too.... the people have been so overwhelming toxic in this community since day one I have become jaded

@d84d4274 @e23d29a5 

 @62f94e11 He did **not** have a negative view of **political** moderates... he had mentioned criticisms of "White moderates" but they were moderate in the sense of the politicial spectrum.. he was talking about whites who were not vocal against racism while not actively being racist themselves... he was purely talking about a moderate stance on racism, not politics. 

 @19643ba2 

Thanks, i may just pop a link there to it if its useful but frankly id rather someone else do that so it doesnt look like self promotion. The fediverse is so toxic ive had admins loose their shit just for reaching out to resolve issues...  Other people can handle the social side of the software.. ill build my tech, use it for myself, and open source if anyone else wants to take it.. ill add good instructions, but ill stay out of the threads.

Thanks, feel free to share it as you see fit. Also feel free to ask if i can help.

@d84d4274 @e23d29a5 

 @ Sounds about in line with their usual stellar logic :) 

 @d84d4274 

Not yet, and I use statically a bit loosely.. It uses a static site generator but some of the stuff where it is needed still runs as serverless functions.

Its basically hugo for the html with TS using tools to render some endpoints.. Most people still call it static though since the website itself i dont know why.

Its basically hugo + vercel

Only reason i think it counts as static is because without the serverless functions running and endpoints it will still serve up its just the AP stuff will only half-work.

But its currently open-source under apache. when im done int he next few days ill make sure the readme makes it easy to follow but for now it would be hard to figure out just from the source. 

 @bf963759 Always happy to help :) 

 @bf6ba08b 

Then bring it up in thrad not as a side fork and i might comment... but a side fork that hides the rest of the conversation showing you defending explicit racism isnt going to work, no i wont jump on that side thread and let you get out of it that easy... if you want to talk your pre-racist defenses will be held on record for all to see here.

@9c92a582 @de8e207b 

 @45d9fd5b 

Depends on the person. No doubt this does explain some of them. But it is hardly the majority.

Take myself as a prime counter example. I worked as a COVID-19 research scientist. I beleive that if you dont take the vaccine you are a complete and utter moron. Regardless I am against mandatory vaccines. Most people ont he left screamed anti-vaxxer at me, when clearly i was pro-vaccine, they just refused to hear any nuance in my stance.

This is what the left routinely does, what you just did. Pretend like you hear an argument which isnt the argument being made (or made by a small minority) and then turnt he toxicity up to 11. The truth is most people who were against mandatory vaccines and labled an anti-vaxxer weren't even against vaccines, at all. You magnify the 1% most idiotic of the other argument and then pretend like its the majority. Worst yet, its a lie repeated so often people believe it.

@ce56152e 

 @ Hold on, those errors mean nothing to me if i dont know what you did from the docs that got you those errors... like whats the exact command your running and what does your gradle file look like? 

 @bf6ba08b 

It is a link to **this** thread where I already used my words.. now your insisting i have to repeat myself because you wont read messages I already replied to you? Get a clue.

@9c92a582 @de8e207b 

 @4e0fad0e Anything within the past week or so id chalk up to a backlog from being down for a few days of upgrade. Lets keep an eye on it and see if it continues after the federation is completely caught up which should be very soon. 

 @ I assume you mean the template in the intro (there is more than one)... ok let me try here locally. 

 @b2d9fca2 Automobiles isnt a sex, neither is furry, therefore it isnt an orientation.

A sexual orientation is not "a think you are attracted to".. liking big boobs isnt a sexual orientation. In fact im hesitatant to even put P in there, as its borderline. Butit at least describes the scenario of needing a man and woman at the same time, so it is somewhat relevant.

Since only 2 sexes and exist and there is nothing between poly and and mono, then yea you can fit people into nice boxes as there is a fairly finite number of combinations. 

 @ 

Well its a hard thing to test experimentally.

But the reason here is just energy, gravitational waves have energy, so they must have their own gravitational field.