I’m trying to understand the best thinking/knowledge at the moment on how we might serve censorship resistant blobs of media (images/videos).
I’ve used nostr.build plenty to host media I share on nostr. It’s great, but obviously represents a single point of failure.
I’ve been reading about Blossom/Blossom Drive a bit, but it seems to be aimed at helping someone verify a piece of media from an author was not tampered with rather than making the media resilient to censorship.
Is that understanding correct? Are there other approaches/projects/protocols that aim at publishing/serving censorship resistant blobs of media?
I think he’s referring to something like this definition:
“Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
today most clients I’ve seen seem to curate this kind of list of suggested follows in onboarding, but seem to avoid doing so in the core app UX
I think we lose a lot of people since they can’t find interesting/active people to connect with (which is what makes the whole nostr experience worthwhile)
algos aren’t evil. transparent/switchable algos in service of the user’s needs can be a part of the solution nostr:note10a28agjkfd87x206y66rdctqtdl8rj67qd9l9ygzpeqtplzsmpwsgjjz9s
all nostr clients use algorithms
most just choose the algorithm of sorting messages in timestamp order
this is the most neutral algorithm, it’s attractive ideologically
it’s a stark contrast to the corporate-controlled engagement algorithms we’re accustomed to on the rest of the web. It feels like a breath of fresh air. it makes nostr feel peaceful
but it also makes it hard to find areas of activity and energy which might match my interests. what happened while I was gone? what do I not know about yet, but might I find interesting?
if an algorithm is designed to attempt to bait me into anger/rage for the purposes of serving me an ad, then this is an algorithm I would like the power to opt out of. It’s designed to serve me an ad, not to inform me
I want to choose algorithms that serve my interest to learn from people I trust (e.g. show me the notes from people I don’t follow, but who are most zapped by people I have zapped; surface notes that are replies to notes I may have seen and zapped but which are gaining a lot of zaps/replies themselves)
we can create algorithms that serve the needs of users and not the needs of corporations. They can be transparent (how do they work?) and pluggable (add/remove which algorithms you see fit). This is a different approach with different incentives from any existing algorithms in social media. “Show me the incentives I’ll show you the outcome.” We’ve never seen the outcome with this set of incentives.
I want a nostr that’s more alive and points me towards hubs of energy/activity, but is structured in service of me
I would suggest prioritizing user-choice as the north star when thinking this through. A default sort by timestamp could be good for many cases.
I could imagine different tabs in a UI being good ways to navigate different algorithms, but there are probably lots of alternatives creative developers could come up with which solve different problems for different kinds of apps. @primal, for example, chooses the UI of a filter icon in the upper right to select different algos. I could imagine a subreddit/stackernews-like view of the links being discussed/zapped in my nearby network recently. It would make it a lot easier for me to “catch up” if I’ve been away for a day. I haven’t seen a good example of an interface like this being explored yet with nostr.
I’m not convinced that letting people choose an algorithm as their default way of browsing has to go bad. I would want to know more about the following: “what are the goals of the algorithm?”, “can the user evaluate the purpose simply?”, “is the user empowered to change the default algorithm if they don’t find it’s serving their needs?”.
I just think the goal should be that the algorithm is in service of the user’s needs and not just attempting to generate incremental page views to serve more ads (like a corp algo is usually designed to do). Having algos with very different goals than we’ve seen before could help us discover a way where things go very right.
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Or have a pluggable algorithm that says “show me a note from person X (who’s generally kinda spammy, but sometimes has good ideas) only if it’s been zapped by at least one other person I’ve zapped before”
RSS is very timestamp oriented, so yes we have lots of Nostr clients that are timestamp oriented like RSS.
“sorts/filters based on your input” is a very underexplored design space (and very interesting to me).
do you have more specific ideas on how this might work?
Nostr News - May 2024 - with @Max and @dk
- Max’s idea that Bitcoin startups often hold their balance sheets in USD and BTC, with varying levels of Bitcoin exposure.
- The majority of Bitcoin-focused companies have some exposure to Bitcoin, and this exposure depends on the founder's preferences.
- The conversation highlights the importance of non-custodial wallets and the impact of recent developments in the eCash space on Bitcoin adoption and scalability. Nostr's potential for decentralized identity and its role in the tech industry.
- The value of open source software and its impact on the community
- The intersection of ideology, technology, and community building within the context of Nostr and open source software.
- Nostr as a public commons for metadata
- open source and commercial business models
- Decentralization of energy markets and the future of technology
- The intersection of technology, energy, and market intelligence
https://youtu.be/NfB1MtiIVDw
“The greatest danger to the State is independent intellectual criticism; there is no better way to stifle that criticism than to attack any isolated voice, any raiser of new doubts, as a profane violator of the wisdom of his ancestors.”
the “ecash as postage stamp for relays” idea seems like a major innovation that applies outside of DMs. have you discussed your plans of this with other clients/relays (e.g. for public posting). how do you think about storage commitments for the value of the stamp?
Are you planning to make the Keychat chat app open source or are you planning to keep to closed-source/commercial?
I’m curious how you imagine interoperability with various nostr-ecosystem/clients might work. I like this idea enough that I hope it can get adopted, but there might be certain philosophical choices that help nostr community members get on board.
this made me realize i wish we had more people discovery surfaces throughout nostr
has anyone built people discovery cards or “other follows you may like” components/algos?
https://m.primal.net/IOrz.jpg
if the algo and data are open source and optional that seems like a net good to me. are you concerned about devolving into existing social media problems?
ha, what’s great about nostr is that someone could actually build such a thing. tho trending-ness won’t necessarily have such singular definition so there’s that too
Nostr is nice as a niche community today. I keep showing up because I love it.
But I think it can reshape how everyone finds information and evaluates truth online. In order to achieve this I advocate for tools to make it easier for less-ideological people to get to benefit/value quickly.
Everyone should be free to choose which components/tools we each want to use. But algos will help huge groups of people, especially helpful for first-timers.
an evening at the theater to watch the drama of the 163 years leading up to the moment when bitcoin launched
“On a cold September morning in 1844, a young man from Bavaria stands on a New York dockside dreaming of a new life in the new world. He is joined by his two brothers, and an American epic begins.
163 years later, the firm they establish—Lehman Brothers—spectacularly collapses into bankruptcy, triggering the largest financial crisis in history.”
https://m.primal.net/INML.jpg
been listening to this during my PoW in the gym today
interesting to hear more of the history of how microstrategy came to the decision to go bitcoin in their treasury from a position of weakness which has now become a position of strength
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everyone hoping for creators to come to nostr should also be advocating for algorithms to make sure their stuff can be surfaced when its good
transparent algos is the way
bitcoin is definitely fair game here, but I’m also interested to hear “ideas from the edge” that may include cultural, political, philosophical concepts which touch on freedom, but who don’t necessarily see/know about bitcoin as a potential solution
I’ve never read ‘Anatomy of the State’, but it does sound like it would be relevant here. Thanks for the suggestion!
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